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Old 03-20-2013, 08:11 AM   #1
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Bill to Legalize Lane Splitting / Sharing in Nevada

This isn't specifically Bay Area or California related, but since this is "Streetrider's Rights" I hope I won't get into too much trouble. If you have rider friends in NV, pass this along so they can get involved and help push it through. It'll be great for us CA riders when we head thataway.

Assemblymen Richard “Skip” Daly (District 31), Richard Carrillo (District 18) and James Healey (District 35) have introduced AB236 which would legalize lane splitting in Nevada. The bill language is interesting because it's simple and smart - State Senator Beale and the folks working on SB 350 here in California would do well to take a peek and consider similarly elegant language:

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A person may drive a motorcycle or moped between moving or stationary vehicles occupying adjacent traffic lanes and traveling in the same direction as the motorcycle or moped provided that the person drives in a cautious and prudent manner and the motorcycle or moped does not exceed a speed of 30 miles per hour while driving between such vehicles.
Bill page is here. I'll post updates as I have them under the Nevada lane splitting news tag of LaneSplittingIsLegal.com too.
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Old 03-20-2013, 11:15 AM   #2
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Bill page is here. I'll post updates as I have them under the Nevada lane splitting news tag of LaneSplittingIsLegal.com too.
california dmv offers more of a "parley" guide (not law) in their following first "R":
The Four R's or “Be-Attitudes” of Lane Splitting:

Be Reasonable, be Responsible, be Respectful, be aware of all Roadway and traffic conditions.

- Be Reasonable means not more than 10 MPH faster than traffic flow and not over 39 MPH.

and i thought nevada had no helmet or speed limit laws!
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:21 PM   #4
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i always thought safe sharing speed was traffic speed +15 ...
the longer one spends next to a car the longer one gets exposed to a side swipe! by zooming by, the cagers have no time re/act and do something stupid or spiteful ... by the time they wake up and see you, and re-act, you're already past them!
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i always thought safe sharing speed was traffic speed +15 ...
the longer one spends next to a car the longer one gets exposed to a side swipe! by zooming by, the cagers have no time re/act and do something stupid or spiteful ... by the time they wake up and see you, and re-act, you're already past them!
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i always thought safe sharing speed was traffic speed +15 ...
the longer one spends next to a car the longer one gets exposed to a side swipe! by zooming by, the cagers have no time re/act and do something stupid or spiteful ... by the time they wake up and see you, and re-act, you're already past them!
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If you go "zooming" past cars all the time, they have plenty of time do something spiteful - like ban splitting. The more drivers that are freaked our or pissed off by rider behavior, the more likely this becomes.

It's true that you shouldn't hang out next to cars, but there's a significant difference between "not hanging out" and "zooming."
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If you go "zooming" past cars all the time, they have plenty of time do something spiteful - like ban splitting. The more drivers that are freaked our or pissed off by rider behavior, the more likely this becomes.

It's true that you shouldn't hang out next to cars, but there's a significant difference between "not hanging out" and "zooming."
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Old 07-31-2013, 09:00 PM   #8
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i always thought safe sharing speed was traffic speed +15 ...
the longer one spends next to a car the longer one gets exposed to a side swipe! by zooming by, the cagers have no time re/act and do something stupid or spiteful ... by the time they wake up and see you, and re-act, you're already past them!
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It was. When I started riding (2009) both the class M test and MSF handbook said 15-20mph over and as long as you don't break the speed limit. I was never aware of any issue coming from the DMV. I see that the DMV is now on board which I guess is great but the "rules" are way more restrictive than before so I'm not really sure if we benefit or not.

Researching this (inspired by this thread) I see tons of people talking about how unsafe it is and how California is crazy. It's funny b/c lane splitting (eff the phrase lane sharing - I ride equidistant between each car, I don't hug either one) is the norm all over Europe. In America, we have 1 (count 'em 1) smart state that allows it.
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It was. When I started riding (2009) both the class M test and MSF handbook said 15-20mph over and as long as you don't break the speed limit. I was never aware of any issue coming from the DMV. I see that the DMV is now on board which I guess is great but the "rules" are way more restrictive than before so I'm not really sure if we benefit or not.
I do not think this is true. I started teaching the MSF cirriculum in 2009 and there is nothing in the MSF handbook about lane-splitting, and the MSF holds that you can't do it safely. DMV until this year stated it was dangerous and to not do it in the driving handbook.

Unless you can show me a PDF or other file? I could be wrong. I'd be interested to see them.
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I was never aware of any issue coming from the DMV.
Nobody was really. Luckily it got turned around and ended up being a good thing.

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I see that the DMV is now on board which I guess is great but the "rules" are way more restrictive than before so I'm not really sure if we benefit or not.
It is fantastic..actually The OTS and CHP are too and that is awesome too!

These are guidelines at this point. Not "rules" thankfully.

The guideline is not less restrictive because there were no guidelines before.
maybe there was a statement in the DMV handbook.. I don't know.. it has been a long time since I had to deal with it.

The fact that California... probably the most restrictive State in the USA when it comes to safety matters is taking action to enact the guidelines, get the word out about the guidelines and is taking motorcycle safety pretty seriously is a great thing. More good things are in the works and most are not visible to us really, but they are there.

Many laws that started in California have spread to the other States and I hope that is the case with this one. My contention is that splitting is safer than sitting in a line of cages. We get to take a bit more of our own safety into our hands than being a rear end rubber ducky with limited options.
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30 MPH :|
What's your point?

Are you saying that if you lived in NV you would rather have no splitting at all than be limited to 30 mph?
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What's your point?

Are you saying that if you lived in NV you would rather have no splitting at all than be limited to 30 mph?
Something (anything) is better than nothing, but there's definitely room for improvement. Having to creep along at 30 MPH in traffic on the freeway sucks balls. If I lived in Nevada I would advocate for elimination of a concrete limit in favor of something along the lines of the CA basic speed law applied to splitting. As long as you're being safe, you should be fine.
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where in nevada is there traffic? except in carson city were they still need to build a fwy.

i deliver frozen foods and have to go there every so often, and in a rig i have not been caught in traffic.
yes some manf slow/stop when they were rebuilding the spaghetti bowl.

and i wish my company would open up the computers on the trucks and let us do the speed limit in nevada. sorry about going slow in the slow lane, it's a company thing.
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Something (anything) is better than nothing, but there's definitely room for improvement. Having to creep along at 30 MPH in traffic on the freeway sucks balls. If I lived in Nevada I would advocate for elimination of a concrete limit in favor of something along the lines of the CA basic speed law applied to splitting. As long as you're being safe, you should be fine.
The problem is that legislators like to be able to define everything. "Safe" is in the eye of the beholder.

A bit of an update on AB236. The bill went to the Transportation Committee late last week, which is chaired by Carrillo, one of the co-sponsors of the bill. Writeup and video here. Gnarly quote from one of the opposing legislators, Assemblywoman Carlton: "I’m picturing a scenario, I’m on the highway, we’re going down… 25 miles an hour, I’ve got a kid in the back seat. They roll the window down, they stick their arm out, my kid ends up with a broken arm, the motorcyclist’s guts end up all over the back of my car. Uhm… it just doesn’t seem to me to make a lot of sense. I’m sorry, it doesn’t. It just seems like a very dangerous thing to be doing."

Another disturbing bit: they're talking about adding a something to the bill that would make accidents that occur during splitting the fault of the motorcyclist by default. No details on this yet, and not sure it would actually fly, but Assemblyman Daly said "…on the liability side, talking with people in law enforcement is that if there was an accident, and the lane splitting, that they would cite the motorcyclist anyway, say it was his fault. So we was just looking at it a little more in the… trying to give people a little more peace of mind to say that, if a person decides to do the lane splitting, you do so at your own risk. So we just want to make it clear that, you know, we’re not trying to put anybody on the hook, or get the regular people in their cars to have additional liability ’cause someone else… you know, did something else."

So if that's added and this bill is passed and you’re splitting lanes legally – cautiously and prudently as required by the new law – and a driver hits you, it’s your fault because we can’t have “regular people” (which apparently doesn’t include motorcyclists) being “on the hook” to be aware of their surroundings and check their mirrors to avoid “additional liability” if they hit a rider who’s doing “something else.” Something else being lane splitting, which would be legal. Isn’t not hitting other drivers something all drivers are already on the hook for? No bueno.

Anyway, check out the video and presentations from the meeting here.
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