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Old 05-09-2020, 10:40 AM   #61
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May ‘82 was a rough month, a week after Gilles was Gordon Smiley’s spectacular qualifying accident at Indy... that footage was constantly replayed on the news.
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Wheelbases were a lot shorter back in the day, as was safety

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Thought this was pretty good for reference on car development...

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D'oh, that's a 28. I was meaning to post Tambay's 126C but came across that cool pic of Arnoux and posted it instead.
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Thought this was pretty good for reference on car development...

Oh that's brilliant, thanks!
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Oh that's brilliant, thanks!
+1 Didn't realize the length had changed to much!

I wonder if that was in response to the change in the tracks?
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Probably more to do with refueling restrictions.

Tracks were seemingly adapted to the ever increasing speed of the cars.
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Probably more to do with refueling restrictions.

Tracks were seemingly adapted to the ever increasing speed of the cars.
Haven't the tracks become more about long sweeping turns, favoring longer wheel base than the tight turns of the past?

I know that the Yamaha had a longer wheel base than it's competitors and had an advantage in MotoGP for awhile through the long turns.
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Bernie and Herman Tilke are mostly responsible for the cookie cutter tracks that started in the late '90s as cars got faster and relied more on downforce, and then eliminated refueling. The growth of the cars' size seems to coincide with that, imo.

Look what happens at old courses like Monaco; the cars are almost too big to pass each other.
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Part of the increased length had to do with a safety change get the drivers feet behind the front axles.
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Part of the increased length had to do with a safety change get the drivers feet behind the front axles.
Makes sense. Thanks for the info.
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Not sure why they grew so long behind the driver. I would expect the cars were a lot more stable at top speed being longer.

Would be cool to know the year of each car in that overhead view.
Big gaps in the timeline on the right, a lot of cars missing. Unless it was created only to show evolution of length.
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Not sure why they grew so long behind the driver. I would expect the cars were a lot more stable at top speed being longer.

Would be cool to know the year of each car in that overhead view.
Big gaps in the timeline on the right, a lot of cars missing. Unless it was created only to show evolution of length.
Could it be that they were trying to move the center of mass as close to the center (between front and back wheels) of the car as they could, for balance?
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