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Old 06-23-2020, 07:18 PM   #1
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Old 06-23-2020, 09:02 PM   #2
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Except for a track only bike, I never got the attraction for aftermarket exhausts.

$600 for a foot long piece of metal that takes my bike out of tune, makes unnecessary noise and could cost me even more $ if a less-than-happy cop knows the CARB rules? Where do I sign?

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Old 06-24-2020, 09:42 PM   #3
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What is the attraction to loudness anyway? Extremely minimal performance gains. It's something about U.S. culture. Harleys are whisper-quiet in Canada and Europe.
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Old 06-24-2020, 09:56 PM   #4
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Damn. What a shame. I enjoy revzilla and cycle gear. Willing to sell people what they want and not what they need, among other cool stuff.
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Old 06-25-2020, 08:45 AM   #5
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Fuck CARB...

I mean.. Thank God for CARB saving us from ourselves.
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Old 06-25-2020, 08:54 AM   #6
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Fuck these companies for selling illegal parts which contribute to noise and air pollution (and also the people who use them). Glad they got caught. They got off super light according to the article, fines could have been up to $180m, and they only need to pay $2m. Hopefully that's enough to force change.
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Old 06-25-2020, 11:43 AM   #7
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Itís a tax to self fund a bureaucracy. Anyone that bought an exhaust accepted that it was not for street use/ public consumption. Perhaps some assumptions on the item descriptions but Iíve seen similar. Individual responsibility anyone? No money there. I suppose itís good that some Southern California school gets fancy air filtration but Iím not a carb fan.
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Old 06-25-2020, 12:22 PM   #8
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I'm torn. I mean, I love 'Merica and freedom and all, but I also live off of Highway 9. During squid season it's like I'm living near Laguna Seca. The Harley guys are no help also.
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I'm torn. I mean, I love 'Merica and freedom and all, but I also live off of Highway 9. During squid season it's like I'm living near Laguna Seca. The Harley guys are no help also.
Yup. I remember walking through a sequoia grove in King's Canyon with my family a while back. It was a beautiful summer day, and really busy, but still just a quiet nature walk among the spectacular grove. And then... a group of cruisers rolled through on the highway, and absolutely ripped the experience apart. Their exhausts thundered echoes through the silence, people were looking up with disgust, and you could feel the disdain for those assholes who thought that their right for loud-ass bikes was greater than hundreds of other people's right to enjoy some peace.

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While CARB's mission may be good, how they choose to implement is stupid!

It really should be about what finally comes out of your tailpipe and if it meets emissions levels, it should be legal. Who cares what kind of air-filters you use, or injectors or ECU or intake-pipes or exhaust? If in the end, you're below emissions limits, it should be allowable.

But CARB sticks their fingers into every step of way and makes certification process very difficult and expensive. Manufacturers ends up having to produce two sets of packaging and labeling for exact same part just to comply with CARB's regulations on having an EO # sticker on "CARB approved" parts.

Case in point is aftermarket catalytics for CA cars. Walker, Flowmaster, Magnaflow, etc. all make catalytics that perform well and have emissions well below Federal and CA levels. BUT, in order to get CARB EO# on their part, they have to submit it through rigorous CARB testing and certifications (part has already been tested and confirmed to pass Fed & CA standard). So same $75 49-state cat ends up costing $500 in CA just for the CARB EO# stamped on casing. Ridiculous!!!

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Old 07-18-2020, 12:39 PM   #11
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So are we all going to pretend green house gasses arenít real? CARB this..CARB that... one patty for your cheeseburger is worse than the emissions from a non CARB legal exhaust. But those 1%ers love their burgers so they wonít do anything about it.
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Old 07-18-2020, 02:43 PM   #12
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Growing up in southern California in the 80s, where we were regularly kept inside during recess due to smog levels and the fucking brown air, I'm never going to say that CARB wasn't necessary. I still feel like they are today because of the largely American sentiment of, "Fuck everyone else, I should be able to do what I want no matter what." As it was said earlier, you just don't see shit like this around the rest of the world where people aren't largely self-indulgent narcissistic assholes. Vanity is big deal in the U.S. and it shows in our vehicles/motorcycles.
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California the land of no fun. Smog nazis make it harder for tuners and companies.

My catalytic converter got stolen few months back on my Prius and we can't buy federal cats here because California has their own special CARB approved cats and no one but Toyota sells them apparently. So new cats are like $2000 you can get a Fed cat for like $200.

I like clean air but sometimes CARB is just rediculous.

I have a 1998 Mitusbishi Eclipse and it's a bitch trying to find a smog test station for older than 2000 cars now. Carb or BAR made some kind of update to the smog machines and it's costing the smog station like $20,000 to do it so a lot of shops just stopped smogging older vehicles because of this. This is their trick to get rid of 90's vehicles.

Pretty soon we'll just be driving electric cars...

Like generators too you have to buy a CARB compliant generator
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You don't have to buy an OEM catalytic converter. There are aftermarket CARB-compliant catalytic converters.
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You don't have to buy an OEM catalytic converter. There are aftermarket CARB-compliant catalytic converters.
For my Prius I did they don't have aftermarket CARB certified cats for a Prius. The CARB certified cats are always more expensive also.

The thing that I hate about California smog program is ANY modification is considered tampering. Almost any anyway. The way I see it is if it blows clean out the tailpipe who cares? Imagine if they have smog checks for motorcycles how many bikes would fail visuals haha.
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