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Old 07-21-2017, 09:19 AM   #316
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Riding into work on 680 I had a van with a Colorado plate cut in front of me to block me from splitting. I think it must be illegal to split in Colorado and this guy appointed himself misinformed CHP to handle the perceived problem.
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Old 07-21-2017, 09:22 AM   #317
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Old 07-21-2017, 09:25 AM   #318
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Between this setback and al the shit going on with Carnegie, I'm getting pretty fucking tired of all this push-back and conflict (which seems to be gathering momentum on nearly all fronts)
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Old 07-21-2017, 09:26 AM   #319
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He saw me. It was an intentional block.
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Old 07-21-2017, 10:15 AM   #320
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Just the guidelines mess, which is what makes it "legal" in the minds of everyone who doesn't ride a bike. "Because without rules, how can it be legal?!oneone"
But, AB51 passed. Guidelines are just fluff, really.
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:05 PM   #321
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I have been stopped from lane splitting several times by cagers, but the best one.

Traffic completely stopped on the freeway, accident 7 miles ahead.
I come up on the very end and started putt-putting between the two lanes.
I was splitting lanes in 1st gear and at idle.
I came upon a tour bus, the driver ran out of the bus and stood on the white line with his back to me.

I stopped he looked over his shoulder and then forward, he was not going to move. I got out my phone dialed the number on the side of the bus and said that their driver was weaving back and forth, I wasn't sure if it was a machanical problem, he was drunk, or falling asleep. Before I even hung up I heard his radio in the bus calling to him.

He spun around said something or another and run into his bus. And I putt- putted to the front of the line.
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:10 PM   #322
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I have been stopped from lane splitting several times by cagers, but the best one.....
That's a great story!
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:43 PM   #323
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CHP commissioner Farrow has stepped down before issuing the guidelines. This is likely going to mean it will be some time before they are issued and the media blitz that goes with it is started.
Sounds like egregious micromanagement typical California government.

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But, AB51 passed. Guidelines are just fluff, really.
The guidelines are the only reason AB51 exists. The law defines the term and authorizes CHP to issue guidelines--nothing else. One-sixth of California motorcycle crashes occur while splitting, so the opportunity to prevent 1000 motorcycle crashes a year is pretty compelling. Not to mention prevention of splitting fatalities--8 so far in 2017, by year-end likely to equal the 14 seen in both 2015 and 2016.
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Old 07-21-2017, 01:43 PM   #324
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Sounds like egregious micromanagement typical California government.

The guidelines are the only reason AB51 exists. The law defines the term and authorizes CHP to issue guidelines--nothing else. One-sixth of California motorcycle crashes occur while splitting, so the opportunity to prevent 1000 motorcycle crashes a year is pretty compelling. Not to mention prevention of splitting fatalities--8 so far in 2017, by year-end likely to equal the 14 seen in both 2015 and 2016.
I didn't see a large need for AB51 to exist in the first place, given splitting was already legal.

Im skeptical of guidelines reducing splitting accidents, but would welcome more rider training regarding splitting. Don't see why CMSP can't integrate that without AB51 or guidelines.

I've not done the TC CMSP course, but the MSF course didn't mention splitting at all, as far as I recall.
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Old 07-21-2017, 04:53 PM   #325
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...would welcome more rider training regarding splitting.
The way my simpleton's mind sees it, a good amount of splitting is due to road congestion, which in itself is at times due to (1) poor driving habits; wrong speed/lane, frequent lane-switching, tail-gating, inattention, poor planning, etc, and (2) everybody wanting/needing to be on road at the same time. I'd welcome more training on the root causes (as well).
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I've not done the TC CMSP course, but the MSF course didn't mention splitting at all, as far as I recall.
They don't really cover much that's outside of a parking lot. It's a great start, but that's really all it is--a start. You most certainly are not prepared to ride on the freeway after taking the CMSP.
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I didn't see a large need for AB51 to exist in the first place, given splitting was already legal.

Im skeptical of guidelines reducing splitting accidents, but would welcome more rider training regarding splitting. Don't see why CMSP can't integrate that without AB51 or guidelines.

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You would have if you were in the room when the DMV wanted to ban it in our motorcycle safety committee meeting. There was a battle ground movement to protect it started that day.
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Old 07-23-2017, 02:34 PM   #328
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You would have if you were in the room when the DMV wanted to ban it in our motorcycle safety committee meeting. There was a battle ground movement to protect it started that day.
Thank you and thank Surj for all you two have done on this issue.

This thread also makes me aware that I miss silversvs.
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I still catch him in our meetings. I miss his presence here too. He was one of 5 of us who refused to accept a ban.

He is way into building old trans am's now.
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