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Old 06-27-2021, 10:18 AM   #1
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How to ride like a pro moto test rider

Great article about the mindset of someone who rides bikes for a living- a pro motorcycle test rider. He makes many great points about how to think about your riding, so you can focus on enjoying the ride safely and still have fun. Isn’t that what it’s all about?

Food for thought. (I agree with everything he says). https://www.motorcyclenews.com/advic...a-road-tester/
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Old 06-27-2021, 11:12 AM   #2
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He recommends off-throttle cornering but I hope he doesn't mean past the apex, too. That would leave the suspension unladen and wash the front if you have to flick it in the other direction for avoidance.

Riding in the UK and civilized parts of Europe feels 100 times safer due to them not handing out driving licenses like in the USA.
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Old 06-27-2021, 12:45 PM   #3
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He recommends off-throttle cornering but I hope he doesn't mean past the apex, too. That would leave the suspension unladen and wash the front if you have to flick it in the other direction for avoidance.

Riding in the UK and civilized parts of Europe feels 100 times safer due to them not handing out driving licenses like in the USA.
Yes and yes. I wondered about the off the throttle thing, too. Then again, makes me wonder what “on the throttle” cornering would be. Anyway, I enjoyed reading his perspective. Nice to hear how it looks from someone who must clearly know what he’s doing out there; and can write intelligently about it.
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Old 06-28-2021, 04:37 PM   #4
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He recommends off-throttle cornering but I hope he doesn't mean past the apex, too. That would leave the suspension unladen and wash the front if you have to flick it in the other direction for avoidance.

Riding in the UK and civilized parts of Europe feels 100 times safer due to them not handing out driving licenses like in the USA.
Could you please elaborate on your thought? Why would it wash out the front? It's not like there is no weight on front... engine braking still a thing + lean angle unlikely over 35-40 degrees, which leaves plenty of room for adjustability.

My take on this - I think the safe rule for street (track as well) - is to get on throttle only when you're happy with bike placement, direction and speed - it could be before/on/after apex, or by other words - you define apex by your bike placement, direction and speed.
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I don't think "off-throttle cornering" means quite what it seems to mean. Maybe a better way for us Yanks to think of it is "off-throttle steering."

On a site called One Down, Two Up, I found an article, Technique: Turning on a closed throttle. I'm not generally recommending the guy as an expert; he seems to be a novice racer (at least at the time of publication). Rather, I'm just pointing out how they use the term in the UK:
There's a consistent difference between slower and faster riders: turning on a closed throttle. Watch any racer, fast guy or even a decent intermediate rider. They all do it - and so should you.

Imagine you're racing your equal - same bike, same braking distances and same bravery. How do you get around a corner quicker than them?

'Brake harder' is the usual go-to answer - and where I think a lot of people's progression halts.

Forgetting for a moment that I just said you and your equal have the same braking distances: braking really hard requires tonnes of feel and confidence in the front, and there's a hard limit to how hard you can brake - the rear will eventually lift.

A later turn in will mean you can also start braking later - even though the overall braking distance is the same. However, to achieve a later turn in you'll have to get the bike leant over faster.

Turning on a closed throttle will help you do both these things: lean the bike over faster and turn in later - and, as a bonus, with it comes a load of feel and confidence.
Basically, it follows Keith Code Superbike School practice.
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Old 07-10-2021, 02:32 PM   #6
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Check out Simon the racer turned Moto GP announcer’s YouTube channel for a better explanation of off throttle cornering skill
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FWIW, I think what Neeves means by off-throttle is simply initiating the turn before re-opening the throttle. This is actually explored in one of the CMSP range exercises where students are encouraged to try both completing their braking, initiating the turn, then re-opening the throttle, as well as changing the sequence by completing braking, re-opening the throttle, then initiating the turn.

I watched all of the videos as they came up on youtube, and I didn't here him advocate keeping the throttle closed through the turn, only delaying it until after the turn has been initiated.
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