![]() |
|
![]() |
#1 |
General Menace
AMA Life Member #203453
Highway Aviator
Founding Member
Top Percent Poster
Community Contributor + BB
Moto Junkie
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Palo Alto, Ca.
Motorcycles: Keep me rocking life
Name: Budman
|
Lanesplitting rider killed
http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/...173996416.html
This came up as an RIP thread meaning RIP in the title. Still some folks don't get that means keep it respectful. Families google search these things and the arm chair quarterbacking does not belong in those threads. We have suspended one member for it. This thread is not for discussion on policy. If you want to discuss policy take it to Website / Geekspeak. This thread is for analysis of the accident. Thank you.
__________________
BARF Terms of Service Be a BARF Contributor! Support those that support Barf! BARF Sponsors 1Rider introduction on KFOG Bone heads and bikers podcasts Racism and RIP threads on Barf - FYI Barf is more than a dub dub dub dealio Godspeed Mom ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() AMA #203453 ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#2 |
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: SANTA ROSA
Motorcycles: DRZ400SM, F800ST
Name: Geoff
|
With the speed delta of 45mph I was expecting the standard "car changed lanes and rider went down" scenario.
But it seems like the rider didn't even enter the gap but slammed into the car on his left as he tried to enter the gap at a 45mph delta. At 65mph one small movement by the rider when entering a narrow gap can have fatal consequences as in this scenario. RIP rider. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#3 |
Veteran
Contributor +++
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Pacifica
Motorcycles: 2017 FZ-09
2016 12GS, 2015 Versys 650
Name: Neil
|
It's amazing how just the smallest touch of a bike at speed to anything solid and not moving in exactly the same direction and speed will cause the bike to careen in a different direction. I've seen numerous moto crash videos where this occurs, the slightest tap and the bike is under a truck with a crushed rider even at relatively low speeds. This learning has me now avoiding any splitting near trucks unless they are completely stopped and the truck driver has acknowledged my presence in his mirror...I wave to them to let them know I'm about to split.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#4 |
General Menace
AMA Life Member #203453
Highway Aviator
Founding Member
Top Percent Poster
Community Contributor + BB
Moto Junkie
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Palo Alto, Ca.
Motorcycles: Keep me rocking life
Name: Budman
|
Just physics.
The big delta is the key to calamity. Sometimes that is the difference between other vehicles in lane 1 & 2. One of the most dangerous times IMO. The 10-15 delta makes perfect sense, but when lane 1 is going 40 and 2 is going 5mph the delta can be a quiet killer. Road smarts are earned.
__________________
BARF Terms of Service Be a BARF Contributor! Support those that support Barf! BARF Sponsors 1Rider introduction on KFOG Bone heads and bikers podcasts Racism and RIP threads on Barf - FYI Barf is more than a dub dub dub dealio Godspeed Mom ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() AMA #203453 ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#5 | ||
Ghost in The Machine
AMA #: 2815246
BARF Admin
Founding Member
Barfie Winner 2007, 2010, 2014, 2017
Contributor ++++++++++
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: SF Bay Area
Motorcycles: Attack™-ed R1 & hybrid S1000rr
Name:
|
Quote:
CA: Rider appears to be traveling too fast. Splitting at the place where traffic first builds up is very risky. Drivers are more likely to jump lanes as they approach the traffic jam. Wait a few seconds, let the cars bunch up and eliminate the gaps. Let the drivers get used to the traffic before splitting.
__________________
A superior rider uses superior judgment to avoid situations that require superior skill. Quote:
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. BARF Terms of Service |
||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#6 |
General Menace
AMA Life Member #203453
Highway Aviator
Founding Member
Top Percent Poster
Community Contributor + BB
Moto Junkie
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Palo Alto, Ca.
Motorcycles: Keep me rocking life
Name: Budman
|
Big rigs are a nightmare waiting to happen. Even filtering next to them is dangerous. I am a confident splitter yet, like Enchanter hesitate to split near those big ass wheels that will kill us without a moment of silence.
Situational awareness should always include those huge ass big rig wheels and the lack of observation that rides with them. Ever since I saw that one vid where a filtering rider just fell over and was ......by them ![]() The cost is usually a minute or two. Not much to get home safe really.
__________________
BARF Terms of Service Be a BARF Contributor! Support those that support Barf! BARF Sponsors 1Rider introduction on KFOG Bone heads and bikers podcasts Racism and RIP threads on Barf - FYI Barf is more than a dub dub dub dealio Godspeed Mom ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() AMA #203453 ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#7 |
Veteran
Contributor ++++++++ +
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Davis
Motorcycles: 2014 R6
Name: Jim
|
It's very hairy splitting next to trucks, and I'll probably avoid doing so in the future.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#8 |
Mama says he's bona fide
BARF Mod Alumni
BARFie winner 2010 & 2014
Contributor ++++
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: San Luis Obispo
Motorcycles: Yamaha FJR1300
Name: Dan
|
![]() To further emphasize the danger of splitting next to a big rig: More than half the 107 lane-splitter deaths since 2004 by my unofficial count [1] have involved large trucks. Some have involved TWO trucks and others trucks in construction-narrowed lanes. This is by far the deadliest lane-splitting crash scenario. In fact, there was another one today in the Cajon Pass (San Bernardino County). According to CHP Sergeant Joseph Corney: "The motorcycle was splitting traffic on southbound 15, south of Oak Hill (Road), when it collided into the rear of a passenger car in the No. 1 lane. The motorcycle careened off the car to the right and collided with a big rig and was subsequently run over by the big rig." Today's was the 14th California lane-splitter death of 2017, which equals the full-year totals of both 2015 and 2016. [1] I collect news stories of fatal motorcycle crashes in California that come to my attention via Google, Bing, and Yahoo news searches. I count lane-splitting crashes only when so described by an official source, such as the CHP officer in today's story.
__________________
How can I help seeing what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four. --Winston Smith I see four lights! --Jean Luc Picard A is A. --John Galt |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#9 |
General Menace
AMA Life Member #203453
Highway Aviator
Founding Member
Top Percent Poster
Community Contributor + BB
Moto Junkie
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Palo Alto, Ca.
Motorcycles: Keep me rocking life
Name: Budman
|
Dan.
In your opinion if all riders adhered to the guideline delta would we see a reduction??
__________________
BARF Terms of Service Be a BARF Contributor! Support those that support Barf! BARF Sponsors 1Rider introduction on KFOG Bone heads and bikers podcasts Racism and RIP threads on Barf - FYI Barf is more than a dub dub dub dealio Godspeed Mom ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() AMA #203453 ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#10 | |
Mama says he's bona fide
BARF Mod Alumni
BARFie winner 2010 & 2014
Contributor ++++
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: San Luis Obispo
Motorcycles: Yamaha FJR1300
Name: Dan
|
Quote:
In my unpublished, 3500-word Lane Splitting Guide (yeah, it's a bit tedious ![]()
__________________
How can I help seeing what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four. --Winston Smith I see four lights! --Jean Luc Picard A is A. --John Galt Last edited by DataDan; 09-21-2017 at 05:55 PM.. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#11 |
General Menace
AMA Life Member #203453
Highway Aviator
Founding Member
Top Percent Poster
Community Contributor + BB
Moto Junkie
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Palo Alto, Ca.
Motorcycles: Keep me rocking life
Name: Budman
|
Great post.
Thank you.
__________________
BARF Terms of Service Be a BARF Contributor! Support those that support Barf! BARF Sponsors 1Rider introduction on KFOG Bone heads and bikers podcasts Racism and RIP threads on Barf - FYI Barf is more than a dub dub dub dealio Godspeed Mom ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() AMA #203453 ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#12 |
O_o
Contributor +++
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Peninsula
Motorcycles: .
Name:
|
Things I watch out for when lanesplitting / filtering:
A pet peeve of mine is the people who swerve sharply onto the shoulder at the last minute to give you room. Like, I appreciate your concern, but it tells me that you clearly didn't see me at first, you overreacted, and now you're driving on the shoulder...where there's frequently debris, which you are now kicking up, and if there's something ahead of you on the shoulder that I don't see (ie, a bumper or something from a previous accident), I don't know that you won't swerve BACK towards me equally suddenly. Those people I make a habit of gunning it past if I can, or not passing at all until I'm sure it's clear. I've also had someone in the left lane swerve onto the shoulder almost entirely to where their right wheels were just barely in the lane, and someone in the #2 lane took that as an invitation to move over into the gap. So either way...when I see someone driving on the shoulder...I give them a wide berth. It also tells me they have no depth perspective, because 9 times out of 10 it's someone in a Nissan Leaf, Mini Cooper, Prius, or other tiny car that barely takes up half a lane to begin with.
__________________
Your views on any given subject are the sum of the media that you take in, scaled to the weight of the credibility of the source that provides it, seen through a lens of your own values, goals, and achievements. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity. The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place. Wheel horsepower is just crank horsepower after taxes. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#13 |
General Menace
AMA Life Member #203453
Highway Aviator
Founding Member
Top Percent Poster
Community Contributor + BB
Moto Junkie
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Palo Alto, Ca.
Motorcycles: Keep me rocking life
Name: Budman
|
Lanesplitting is a dangerous activity. In particular for a new rider with little experience with commute traffic.
There are so many subtle things to be aware of. So many situations to be aware of. If you click Features (one of the blue tabs at the top of this page) you will find a document with my advice. It is only advice, but it is better than the guidelines IMO as far as identifying dangerous situations. Please remember... I have ridden for almost 50 years and my opinion can be too agressive for a new rider. It is still worth a peek.
__________________
BARF Terms of Service Be a BARF Contributor! Support those that support Barf! BARF Sponsors 1Rider introduction on KFOG Bone heads and bikers podcasts Racism and RIP threads on Barf - FYI Barf is more than a dub dub dub dealio Godspeed Mom ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() AMA #203453 ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#14 |
Darwin's exception
Founding Member
Barfie Winner 2017
Contributor ++++
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: San Francisco and Lake County
Motorcycles: Triumph Street Triple, YZ250, TLR200, XR400R, Husqvarna FE350, TE300, a vintage CR390, Honda ST1100
Name: CJ
|
While I agree with DataDan that delta speed wont solve everything, it certainly will help riders learn to see all the other dangers while gaining experience IMO. I cringe when I think of newer riders and their situational awareness splitting at high deltas.
I had been splitting for a couple of decades when I finally had my lanesplitting crash in the westbound maize of 24/580/80 approaching the bay bridge. Being late to a Saturday BBQ in the city, I was rushed and paid the price going through the rear window of a Honda Civic sedan. While the CHP found the driver at fault, I no doubt contributed SIGNIFICANTLY to the crash with my higher than average delta. Even highly aware drivers arent going to see more than a few cars back in slow moving bumper to bumper traffic. So even if the driver had looked before trying to change lanes, he might not have seen me. At the delta I was travelling, there was no way I could come to a stop or avoid the collision when I recognized what was happening a few car lengths ahead of me. There was no out other than trying slow before impact. I rolled into the rear corner of the car doing a stoppy, flew over his trunk at impact, and into the rear window. My take away from my own crash was.... no matter how skilled or experienced a rider you are, splitting at high delta speeds is merely a crapshoot or luck. Had I been riding at closer to the "guideline" I may have been able to brake to a complete stop or at worst had a light love tap with the cars rear fender. Just my experience, others may vary, take it with a grain of salt. ![]()
__________________
I'm looking for 1970 or older Triumph 650 project, cheap and preferably complete. PM me if you have something - will provide it a good home. ![]() If you think me being naked is offensive, dont look! ![]() "You find the biggest meanest bull, chop off his balls, dangle them in front of him, then hop on his back. That should give you some reference point. Either that, or shove a shuttle rocket up your ass. Take your pick." Colin Edwards 'Cycles is a mean toy lady" Big Halsy Last edited by OaklandF4i; 09-24-2017 at 05:49 PM.. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#15 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: The Bay
Motorcycles: Vroomvroomgofast
Name:
|
Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|