![]() |
|
![]() |
#16 | |
Major PITA
AMA Life Member #538338
Contributor +++
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Concord
Motorcycles: None.
For now.
Name: Dave
|
Quote:
It also changes dramatically the physics of the impact. Sure it wont take the cellphone/cigarette/newspaper/razor/hairbrush/eyeliner/drumsticks/rubics cubes/sandwich/coffee cup etc out of car drivers hands but it is the component that the rider owns 100%. Lastly , it doesn't matter who's at fault, the rider is the one most likely to die or be substantially hurt. Riders must take full responsibility for what happens when they choose to laneshare.
__________________
"Many people would rather die than think; in fact most do." -- Bertrand Russell Pain is inevitable, suffering is not. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#17 |
General Menace
AMA Life Member #203453
Highway Aviator
Founding Member
Top Percent Poster
Community Contributor + BB
Moto Junkie
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Palo Alto, Ca.
Motorcycles: Keep me rocking life
Name: Budman
|
I agree that the delta is the easiest to address. They will make other aspects safer to deal with. Start there. Gain situational experience and move forward as a safer commuter.
__________________
BARF Terms of Service Be a BARF Contributor! Support those that support Barf! BARF Sponsors 1Rider introduction on KFOG Bone heads and bikers podcasts Racism and RIP threads on Barf - FYI Barf is more than a dub dub dub dealio Godspeed Mom ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() AMA #203453 ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#18 | |
Big Ugly
Barfie Winner 2010
Founding Member
Top Percent Poster
Contributor++++
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: The Far East
Motorcycles: Oh yes.
Name: El Jefe
|
Quote:
![]() ![]()
__________________
"I stopped explaining myself when I realized people only understand from their level of perception." - Robert Downey Jr. "My bullshit meter and givsafuckometers are currently at zenith and nadir." - Carries An Axe Performance Concepts RMC Moto --------------------------------- ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() HoHo |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#19 | |
Karasu wa shirodesu
Join Date: May 2013
Location: The City
Motorcycles: Super fun ones
Name:
|
Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#20 |
.
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: .
Motorcycles: .
Name:
|
I don't think any delta can make up for the skills required to read the traffic. This is why new riders should be restricted from the freeway. Let them develop these skills on the surface streets where a mistake isn't likely to kill them.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#21 | |
Rookie
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: El Dorado County
Motorcycles: 99 CBR f4
Name:
|
Quote:
![]() There is a really bad intersection near my house thats the one place i almost never split in. Its a large intersection with multiple turn lanes, then right as you make it through the lane, there are two freeway onramps. This constantly causes a cluster F#$% of drivers jumping from lane to lane trying to get on the freeway, or stomping the breaks so they can make the left turn into the taco bell. I do everything I can to avoid that intersection completely if at all possible. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#22 | ||
Home Wrecker
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Pleasant Hill
Motorcycles: DRZ400SM, KTM 990 SD, Ducati 848 SF
Name: Derrick
|
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
Never trust anything in a cage. |
||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#23 |
MSF Rider Coach
AMA #: 687081
Contributor +
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Chicago
Motorcycles: Yamaha FJR 1300A ('15)
Name: Patrick
|
DataDan Thumbs Up
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#24 |
Veteran
Contributor +
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: San Mateo
Motorcycles: XT 500, Dax
Name: J.bond
|
Some excellent advice on this thread and a great summary by DataDan.
I have now been commuting and lane sharing daily up and down the Bay, 101, 880, 580, for close to 20 years without a single crash. While I would love to share a magic recipe, I am all too aware that some of it comes down to good luck. With that out of the way, I would add the following to what Data Dan and OaklandF4i said: - Focus: regardless of how little you slept, how early you woke up, how long of a working day you had, how upset your wife or co-worker made you or where you need to get to, when you get on the bike, take 10sec to take a breath, clear your head and get all your attention on riding and on the road. - Always look for escape paths: If the path between two cars closes at the last minute, getting on the brakes is rarely the best option. More often than not you won't stop in time. It's much better to have identified another path ahead of time and quickly switch. - Whats legal is not always the safest option: I know I am going to get crap for that one, I am not advocating breaking the law, I am merely saying that following yellow lines can be a form of target fixation. When looking for escape paths also consider shoulders or wherever there might be space you can use in a pinch. - Be razor accurate with your steering: For example practice riding on a line at different speeds, with wind, without wind. Be mindful of the turbulences created by large vehicles, they will push or pull you, anticipate and keep your wheels exactly where you want them to be. An inch can be the difference between staying up or going down. Again I am not advocating getting within one inch of a car, simply to steer as if all you had was an inch rather than being lulled into steering sloppily just because there is space. - Be decisive: I see everyday riders hanging a few feets away to the rear right corner of cars. Waiting for who knows what sign that it is safe to pass. If you are not ready to pass stay at a safe distance from the car ahead of you. Once you are ready to pass, whatever it means, you made eye contact with the driver, the gap between cars has widen, etc. pass decisively. As Budman mentioned earlier, none of these "techniques" are meant for new riders, or riders with little experience. My 2 cents.
__________________
Since light travels faster than sound, some people may look brilliant until they open their mouths. Last edited by krongsak; 05-12-2018 at 07:36 PM.. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#25 |
Redwood Original
AMA #: 2815981
BARF Moderator
Contributor
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Charming
Motorcycles: bitchin trike with oxygen
Name: Piney
|
Been "sharing" for 15 yrs, 5 days a week... I've taken a few hits doing so...DataDan's insights require you to think, but omg he has got it nailed
![]()
__________________
Don't take life too seriously...you'll never get out of it alive ! Anarchists Unite ! Honorary Member TMU Local 925 : "There he is, get 'em" "In Lerdo, respect, is obligatory" (seen on a street corner in Mexico) |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#26 |
2wheels good 4wheels bad
MotoGP CRC Contributor
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Suckramento
Motorcycles: SV650
Name: Kelso
|
Data-dan nailed it, but id like to add:
always cover both brakes at all times and... situational awareness isnt enough. you need anticipational awareness as well.
__________________
WLF |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#27 | |
cabrón
AMA #: 2820219
Contributor + + + + + + + + 1%
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Too much work, not enough riding
Motorcycles: Mostly Red with big Orange spot
Name: Michael G
|
Quote:
This is a great post, all of it.
__________________
_________________ |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#28 |
Member #294
Founding Member
Contributor
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: .
Motorcycles: .
Name:
|
Good thread, but I find the single most important note missing;
"Fear the gap" If there's a gap ahead, your lane or adjoining lane, you can count on someone diving into it as soon as humanly possible. No signal, no looking over their shoulder- its a scientific fact- gaps create a vacuum that folks are sucked into without any input or reasoning. If there is no gap, well folks tend not to power on over- but some will anyway. Know this behavior and I think you'll avoid most incidents.
__________________
If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#29 |
Veteran
Contributor
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: california
Motorcycles: 2004 FZ1
1993 klr 650
1978 xl 350
Name:
|
sad to hear another rider gone.
but to those who say never to a big rig. as a commercial driver i will give way for a bike. but some are splitting way too fast for me to see them let alone move over a bit for there safety. but double yes, you never want to go under a rig. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#30 |
Newbie
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Albany
Motorcycles: big GSA and little Husky
Name: Puck
|
This thread is very good. Thanks for all the insight everyone. I am from Bangkok, we also lane splitting.
My commute route the past 4 years, Albany to SFSU, or 880 down to Newark. I lane splits when I feel safe, not much when overall traffic above 55-60. I honk and flash my light, nicely, to make my way thru. I did got some angry drivers honk or flash their light back, but hey, they saw me, but not for long ![]() I got big light with amber lens, it help to be seen. At night even better, cars moved when they see the light. I tried to keep the speed down, like other said, low delta. It also annoying to have loud bike flashed by when you in the car. We all drive too. Have a good etiquette for anything, including lane splitting, be nice, be kind to people that stuck in the cars. Stay calm, rushing is a recipe for disaster. learn meditation, learn about the awareness, lane splitting is not walk in the park. You gotta be on point. Become like water.. as Bruce Lee said, read the traffic and be part of it. Namaste.. rip rider. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|