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Old 02-12-2019, 03:07 PM   #31
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Easy to say that, but it massively oversimplifies the reality. The reality is that the land surrounding the track was privately owned, intended to eventually be developed and subject to the same protections an existing residential community would have. The claim is that the original sound studies were flawed and dramatically underestimated the noise impact on the surrounding properties.

I love Laguna, but the argument that it's just a few rich people who built next to the airport and complained is nonsense. And, anyone who has spent any time in the general area, even 3-5 miles away, on an unrestricted noise day will tell you that the sound really carries through the hills and it's not exactly pleasant. The other thing that's causing problems is that, as car track days have grown in popularity, so has the noise, because the cars can cheat the sound check at Laguna very easily and run most of their lap with full exhaust. And they are doing it.
Good points.

I went to the US GP back in 1990 and I don't remember the bikes being anywhere near as loud as today's MotoGP bikes!
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Old 02-12-2019, 03:21 PM   #32
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Easy to say that, but it massively oversimplifies the reality. The reality is that the land surrounding the track was privately owned, intended to eventually be developed and subject to the same protections an existing residential community would have. The claim is that the original sound studies were flawed and dramatically underestimated the noise impact on the surrounding properties.

I love Laguna, but the argument that it's just a few rich people who built next to the airport and complained is nonsense. And, anyone who has spent any time in the general area, even 3-5 miles away, on an unrestricted noise day will tell you that the sound really carries through the hills and it's not exactly pleasant. The other thing that's causing problems is that, as car track days have grown in popularity, so has the noise, because the cars can cheat the sound check at Laguna very easily and run most of their lap with full exhaust. And they are doing it.
Eventually? Laguna Seca opened 52 years ago.

I'm going to go with rich people whining. As they do...
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Old 02-12-2019, 04:12 PM   #33
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I went to the US GP back in 1990 and I don't remember the bikes being anywhere near as loud as today's MotoGP bikes!
Don't recall the 1990 bikes, but the Battle of the Twins in the late 70's and early 80's scrambled your innards. And then there were the CanAm cars.
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Good points.

I went to the US GP back in 1990 and I don't remember the bikes being anywhere near as loud as today's MotoGP bikes!
They were 500 two smokes until 2002 and a couple after that.

They were not as loud, but they did sound bad ass!!
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Eventually? Laguna Seca opened 52 years ago.

I'm going to go with rich people whining. As they do...
And there were already some houses in the area, including on what is now Pasadera, before the track was opened. The family that owned that land bought it in the early 50's. It was always going to be housing and the owner of that property had a right to develop that and have the value of their land protected. It's not a simple black and white issue. Very grey and many of the opponents claim that the noise studies that were performed (because they were required to prove the track would not be a nuisance to the surrounding properties) were flawed.
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And there were already some houses in the area, including on what is now Pasadera, before the track was opened. The family that owned that land bought it in the early 50's. It was always going to be housing and the owner of that property had a right to develop that and have the value of their land protected. It's not a simple black and white issue. Very grey and many of the opponents claim that the noise studies that were performed (because they were required to prove the track would not be a nuisance to the surrounding properties) were flawed.
Waah, waah, value of their land. They bought it dirt cheap hoping to score big. Maybe they should have invested in something that added value for many instead of banking on greed and wretched excess.

Too bad their lotto bet didn't pay off.


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Okay, but Laguna Seca was built on Fort Ord land, which was a darn artillery training center since the nineteen-teens. Supposedly there are still munitions out there somewhere. Not exactly a pristine and quiet neighborhood before the track was opened, if you get my car drift.
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Okay, but Laguna Seca was built on Fort Ord land, which was a darn artillery training center since the nineteen-teens. Supposedly there are still munitions out there somewhere. Not exactly a pristine and quiet neighborhood before the track was opened, if you get my car drift.
In the early 90s we could hear their live fire exercises clearly in south Salinas.

Now they people who chose to live there complain about motorsport and firing range noise as well as air traffic noise from the Monterey Airport.
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Idk man, my R1 with aftermarket exhaust + DB killers (still significantly louder than stock) went through a whole day at Laguna Seca no problems... didn't get flagged once. Absolute worst case is you have to lift off through one small section of the track, but it's not like it's a race anyway.
They are roving now. Almost always on bikes, it's intake noise not exhaust noise that sets off the sound meters.
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And there were already some houses in the area, including on what is now Pasadera, before the track was opened. The family that owned that land bought it in the early 50's. It was always going to be housing and the owner of that property had a right to develop that and have the value of their land protected. It's not a simple black and white issue. Very grey and many of the opponents claim that the noise studies that were performed (because they were required to prove the track would not be a nuisance to the surrounding properties) were flawed.
Huh... regarding Pasadera, Laguna Seca golf course was opened long after the track, in 1970. Pasadera devolopement was initiated by the Lombardos in the 90’s, early ‘00s after they were denied development of Rancho Canada in Carmel Valley, long after the track. Add in developements like Markham Ranch in the 90s, also long after the track was there. Additional developement in the Laurales area also brought in a lot of people that later complained about the track.

What was at the track location before Laguna Seca? A US Army artillery range all the way up to the mid 50s....

The Ryan Ranch area was barely there, York School, a few houses, and offices.
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You could hear the Ca Am cars in Monterey, at the wharf, when they raced, they were that loud.
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They are roving now. Almost always on bikes, it's intake noise not exhaust noise that sets off the sound meters.
Did that change for 2019 ? The track day I did at Laguna last year had only one sound station, which was CLEARLY pointed out several times during the day, by both the booth operators and the TDP.
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They were not as loud, but they did sound bad ass!!
The corkscrew has always been spectacular, but seeing Wayne Rainey fly past everybody on the old Turn 1 was an amazing thing to see.
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Did that change for 2019 ? The track day I did at Laguna last year had only one sound station, which was CLEARLY pointed out several times during the day, by both the booth operators and the TDP.
They've been doing it for a few years now.
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Waah, waah, value of their land. They bought it dirt cheap hoping to score big. Maybe they should have invested in something that added value for many instead of banking on greed and wretched excess.

Too bad their lotto bet didn't pay off.


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It's a race track, not some great social good uplifting the poor from poverty. Maybe instead of burning gas and making tons of noise people should do something useful with their time and money?

Wretched excess is a pretty good description of motorsports....huge sums of money, fuel and land to keep a small group of pretty wealthy people entertained.
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