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Old 02-17-2019, 08:47 PM   #181
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Okay. I think I understand the contrary approach some folks took in this thread.

And that is, folks are assuming that the dirt bikers were on their side of the uphill lane in that blind corner.

So if that is what happened, that the lead dirt biker took the turn tight and fast, and caused Banned Wagon to ride into him, then if Banned Wagon had been bombing around a blind corner, his injuries would have been far more significant than a torn rotator cuff and a broken finger.

At least that's my speculation.
I don't think anyone is assuming that. Single track doesn't have 'lanes'.
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Old 02-17-2019, 08:51 PM   #182
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I don't think anyone is assuming that. Single track doesn't have 'lanes'.
Gotcha. I was strictly a road cyclist in my time.

Still if Banned Wagon was going going in excess of 16 mph, wouldn't the impact have caused more damage to him?
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Old 02-17-2019, 09:44 PM   #183
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There are no lines on this trail it is roughly 2 feet wide if that in the sections there is no inside or outside line it is a foot half roughly 12 inches wide with the bushes cut back maybe 24 total. This trail unlike the two way traffic trails in parks for motorcycles is way too tight for Motorized high speed bidirectional traffic.
That's incorrect Banned Wagon. We (motorcycles) DO ride single track as narrow as that, two way, and without hitting each other or other trail users legally in many places.
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Old 02-17-2019, 10:00 PM   #184
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That's incorrect Banned Wagon. We (motorcycles) DO ride single track as narrow as that, two way, and without hitting each other or other trail users legally in many places.
carnegie for example,
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Old 02-17-2019, 10:01 PM   #185
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I’ve never seen anything this tight with sightlines this short at Downieville ,Carnegie or cow mountain or any other places that I’ve ridden with bidirectional single track and yes I do ride Moto. But I do not like bydirectional singletrack I’ve seen too many accidents and Close calls and don’t ride those places anymore they are chaos
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Old 02-17-2019, 10:25 PM   #186
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Iíve never seen anything this tight with sightlines this short at Downieville ,Carnegie or cow mountain or any other places that Iíve ridden with bidirectional single track and yes I do ride Moto. But I do not like bydirectional singletrack Iíve seen too many accidents and Close calls and donít ride those places anymore they are chaos
Please do me a favor, refrain from making statements like this. They are factually inaccurate.

Trails like that do exist and they are not chaos. The vast majority of their users know how to use them safely and share with others.
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Old 02-17-2019, 11:42 PM   #187
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Not sure how to say this politely so I wonít. No, I will say what I feel and what I think and I do know for a fact they exist and they are chaos and thatís why I donít ride there.
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Old 02-18-2019, 12:43 AM   #188
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Not sure how to say this politely so I wonít. No, I will say what I feel and what I think and I do know for a fact they exist and they are chaos and thatís why I donít ride there.
Do they exist or dont they? The first post I corrected, you claim they didnt (all of us regular users know they do.) Now you say they do, but are chaos. The overwhelming majority of the users on these trails dont agree with you and have no problem safely sharing them, with ANYbody.

So like your collision, perhaps the issue is you and your trail skills or riding habits. You want to blame somebody else for your crash, I've got nothing more to say about it.

But your characterization of the trails is bullshit. You REALLY want acceptance and understanding from the dirtbike community and approach it this way?
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:50 AM   #189
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Well you learn something new every day.
I am done playing semantics and speculation with y’all, if you have anymore questions please address this if not I feel I have explained myself in the situation in a rational and logical manner feel free to make your judgments as you already have.

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I believe you have fairly and honestly explained what happened.
I know the kids are at fault.
They should be covering your damages, physical and mechanical.
Whether through insurance, parents or court order. Good Luck.

I agree with the finale of the debate and say let's move on.
I would like to hear the outcome in a few months when this has all washed out.
Enjoy your riding, be it pedal or throttle.
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:05 AM   #190
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Do they exist or dont they? The first post I corrected, you claim they didnt (all of us regular users know they do.) Now you say they do, but are chaos. The overwhelming majority of the users on these trails dont agree with you and have no problem safely sharing them, with ANYbody.

So like your collision, perhaps the issue is you and your trail skills or riding habits. You want to blame somebody else for your crash, I've got nothing more to say about it.

But your characterization of the trails is bullshit. You REALLY want acceptance and understanding from the dirtbike community and approach it this way?
You know the overwhelming majority of trail users? I'm impressed!
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Old 02-18-2019, 07:14 PM   #191
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Ok, so I have not read everything.

Still, i think we need to discuss this at Pedro Point Brewery. CJ is the moderator.
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Old 02-18-2019, 09:15 PM   #192
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I don't feel like the narrowest of the single track at Carnegie or anywhere els is chaotic, i have ridden quite a bit of it at Carnegie and I have to say, that the majority of people that I have encountered coming in the opposite direction have shared the same sentiment as far as etiquette goes, they always seem to alert and ready for anything coming the opposite way, op,if it does cause you to feel that way than kudos to you for making the choice you have, for the rest that are busting his balls, seriously,cut the man some slack,
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Old 02-19-2019, 11:20 AM   #193
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We (motorcycles) DO ride single track as narrow as that, two way, and without hitting each other or other trail users legally in many places.
Agreed. I've ridden dirt bike since I was 15 (now 63) and have passed oncoming riders without incident at OHV areas all over California. Usually little to no drama.

The only exception I can think of is when a quad decides they want to blaze a single track. (friend of a friend story)
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Old 02-21-2019, 08:37 PM   #194
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I hope all parties involved were doing 5 mph. 36CFR7.97C.2.ii establishes the speed limit on blind curves and passing other users as 5 mph in GGNRA. That's not single track.
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Old 02-22-2019, 07:01 AM   #195
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Can I just state how much I love BARF? We have some motherfuckin magic people that know what happened miles and miles away from them, know how fast people go without ever being around them, and know for a fact how everyone rides motorcycles and bicycles...not to mention knowing the exact emotional state of someone they've never fucking met.

Color me impressed. Goin waaaaaaaay outta your way to make sure the motorcyclists aren't the bad guys here, and the stupid bicyclist is vilified.
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