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Old 01-16-2019, 09:43 PM   #1
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weight on foot pegs

I have asked myself this many times with no real definitive answer, and maybe there isnt one.

When I ride I rarely put any weight on seat or bars. Vast majority of the time my weight is completely on pegs. Especially in corners! I move my outside foot to heel on peg, lock in knee to tank, my chest is usually completely off to side of tank or just resting on the corner of it, arms loose and resting across tank in corners. inside peg is carrying most of my weight....And thats where I feel comfortable.

But is it right or wrong to have so much weight on pegs?

I got two track days before school so figured I would ask now and practice if I can.

about 8 track days now, all at T-hill, im running 2:15ish so not a fast rider at all yet...

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Old 01-16-2019, 09:46 PM   #2
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Old 01-16-2019, 09:51 PM   #3
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Old 01-16-2019, 10:27 PM   #4
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That much weight? Dunno. But a good amount of weight, oh yeah.

I will never understand how people point with their feet.
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Weighting only on the outside peg isn’t the best, but it’ll work. It’s far better than tons of weight on your hands all the time.

Weighting the pegs can be a useful tool to get the bike to change directions quicker, especially during fast transitions. To do that, you need to weight the inside peg, not the outside peg. It’s a subtle difference, but when u really get moving and are working for every inch on track, it can be really helpful.

If u don’t ever feel weight on the bars at the track, brake harder. It’s not possible to support all your weight with the pegs,tank, and your core when braking hard.
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Weighting only on the outside peg isnít the best, but itíll work. Itís far better than tons of weight on your hands all the time.

Weighting the pegs can be a useful tool to get the bike to change directions quicker, especially during fast transitions. To do that, you need to weight the inside peg, not the outside peg. Itís a subtle difference, but when u really get moving and are working for every inch on track, it can be really helpful.

If u donít ever feel weight on the bars at the track, brake harder. Itís not possible to support all your weight with the pegs,tank, and your core when braking hard.
looks like I missed that part of my post. So I use very little weight on outside peg, almost all weight is on inside peg. So much that my outside foot has come off peg before.

Yes in braking I certainly have weight on bars....
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looks like I missed that part of my post. So I use very little weight on outside peg, almost all weight is on inside peg. So much that my outside foot has come off peg before.

Yes in braking I certainly have weight on bars....
Ahh gotcha.

How are your transitions? What do u do for corner exit, esp if the tire is spinning?
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That much weight? Dunno. But a good amount of weight, oh yeah.

I will never understand how people point with their feet.

YES, this is what confuses me! No way can i point my foot. and it seems much harder for me to get my knee down cause im passing people dragging knees and im certainly not touching.

This video is what really made me ask the question. skip to about 2 minutes in and ernie is following the guy in red for some time and his foot doesnt appear to have much weight on it as it is turned sideways almost...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i67EaIBado
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Ahh gotcha.

How are your transitions? What do u do for corner exit, esp if the tire is spinning?
I havent got to rear tire spinning on corner exit yet.

What exactly does transitions mean? from corner to corner?...if so I feel like I do well, it doesnt seem hard to me. But ive only been to T-hill...5 to 5a and 11 to 12 would get me on my first few track days but I have got them down a little better now...

But coming out of corner exit I struggle getting back into the seat under heavy power. I can hang with B group but the A riders I cant hang with on accelerating out of corners. I dont know what they are holding onto...
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it gives me option to unsubscribe. I must have used a different email when i signed up. I just tried to email myself a message and that didnt go through either. im sure its user error...

I dont see where my email is when clicking on my name or contact info.
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YES, this is what confuses me! No way can i point my foot. and it seems much harder for me to get my knee down cause im passing people dragging knees and im certainly not touching.

This video is what really made me ask the question. skip to about 2 minutes in and ernie is following the guy in red for some time and his foot doesnt appear to have much weight on it as it is turned sideways almost...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i67EaIBado
Hip flexibility affects your ability to get your knee out, drag knee, and how much weight u can apply. U don’t need a lot of foot contact w the peg to weight it. I can put all my weight on a small edge of my foot or a few toes, prob something I picked up with rock climbing.

Don’t worry about dragging knee. It’s not a good indicator of speed. At 2:15, it’s prob the opposite - an indicator of bad technique.

Thunderhill is a lot of trail braking entries that work well with a slow/smooth addition of lean angle. Peg weighting is less important if u aren’t trying to flop the bike into your knee really quickly. That’s partly why u see riders take their inside foot off - weighting that peg then just doesn’t matter as much as other stuff.

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I havent got to rear tire spinning on corner exit yet.

What exactly does transitions mean? from corner to corner?...if so I feel like I do well, it doesnt seem hard to me. But ive only been to T-hill...5 to 5a and 11 to 12 would get me on my first few track days but I have got them down a little better now...

But coming out of corner exit I struggle getting back into the seat under heavy power. I can hang with B group but the A riders I cant hang with on accelerating out of corners. I dont know what they are holding onto...
Ya a transition is right to left or vice versus. If u weight the inside peg then move to the other side real quick and weight that, that’ll help get through the transition quicker with less bar input. As you get faster, your transitions will also need to take less time. And you’ll need to go farther too, from knee to knee, which is really hard without using the pegs.

I push off the inside peg and pull with my outside thigh to pull me back to center. If u can’t get back, your butt might be too far off.
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Dragging knee: I'm heavy. I've never dragged knee. Yet i follow and pass people dragging elbow. This is not a simple hobby.
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Wait, your heel is on the peg on the outside peg? Why heel? Should be on the balls of your feet on both feet.
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YES, this is what confuses me! No way can i point my foot. and it seems much harder for me to get my knee down cause im passing people dragging knees and im certainly not touching.

This video is what really made me ask the question. skip to about 2 minutes in and ernie is following the guy in red for some time and his foot doesnt appear to have much weight on it as it is turned sideways almost...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i67EaIBado
I personally didn't start dragging my knee predictably and consistently until i was running faster than 1'58 at thill... Some of it was just loosening up and becoming more flexible some of it was just achieving that much more lean angle, but dragging knee wasn't required to go fast, unlike so many other things like proper bike placement, vision/references and inputs were(among many other things). Now i feel more confident in my lean angles and where i am in respect to my personal limits.

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Wait, your heel is on the peg on the outside peg? Why heel? Should be on the balls of your feet on both feet.

Berto,

Personally i'm on my balls as much as possible but there is a lot of video of the motogp boys locking in via the heel/arch on their outside foot.

Is it just personal preference or are we doing it wrong?


youtu.be/bRj2OBcuQSU
Danilo Petrucci - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRj2OBcuQSU


youtu.be/3Mng_XY8hEE
jack miller - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mng_XY8hEE

Curiously for me is how much they literally stand on the rear brake makes me definitely feel like i need to be using it even more.
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