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Old 03-24-2021, 10:53 AM   #46
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This always puts a stunned look on the face of the majority of the current membership.

When I started there was no such thing as a track day, or practice days (IIRC), no tire warmers, no airfence, no chicane in one and so on.

One got their license on a Saturday and on Sunday one lined up at the back of a 65 bike field of 600s (if you survived the waiting list).

No track experience, no clue. You couldn't even see the flag man from back there.

To top it all off, you pretty much were guaranteed to see 200 lb++ Scott Grey rip past you on a tiny Honda with pizza cutter wheels by lap three.

NOTHING like being thrown in at the deep end.
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Dang, that sounds old school!! When was this type racing occurring?
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Old 03-24-2021, 11:26 AM   #47
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This always puts a stunned look on the face of the majority of the current membership.

When I started there was no such thing as a track day, or practice days (IIRC), no tire warmers, no airfence, no chicane in one and so on.

One got their license on a Saturday and on Sunday one lined up at the back of a 65 bike field of 600s (if you survived the waiting list).

No track experience, no clue. You couldn't even see the flag man from back there.

To top it all off, you pretty much were guaranteed to see 200 lb++ Scott Grey rip past you on a tiny Honda with pizza cutter wheels by lap three.

NOTHING like being thrown in at the deep end.
Nothing.
We did have trackdays! $35 to run all day with the cars!

Yeah, Scott was the only racer back then who had a problem breaking clipons, when he pushed on them, they broke.
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Old 03-25-2021, 05:58 AM   #48
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This always puts a stunned look on the face of the majority of the current membership.

When I started there was no such thing as a track day, or practice days (IIRC), no tire warmers, no airfence, no chicane in one and so on.

One got their license on a Saturday and on Sunday one lined up at the back of a 65 bike field of 600s (if you survived the waiting list).

No track experience, no clue. You couldn't even see the flag man from back there.

To top it all off, you pretty much were guaranteed to see 200 lb++ Scott Grey rip past you on a tiny Honda with pizza cutter wheels by lap three.

NOTHING like being thrown in at the deep end.
Nothing.
And how about the new racer track walk. I was blessed to have you as one of the instructors take us newbs on a full course, corner by corner walk about, explaining the track details as you saw them. People pay a lot of money now for that insight.
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Old 03-25-2021, 01:29 PM   #49
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And how about the new racer track walk. I was blessed to have you as one of the instructors take us newbs on a full course, corner by corner walk about, explaining the track details as you saw them. People pay a lot of money now for that insight.
Interesting. Mesa, Jeff, wanna come back and do track walks the for the AFM as guest instructors?
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Old 03-28-2021, 07:05 PM   #50
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This always puts a stunned look on the face of the majority of the current membership.

When I started there was no such thing as a track day, or practice days (IIRC), no tire warmers, no airfence, no chicane in one and so on.

One got their license on a Saturday and on Sunday one lined up at the back of a 65 bike field of 600s (if you survived the waiting list).

No track experience, no clue. You couldn't even see the flag man from back there.

To top it all off, you pretty much were guaranteed to see 200 lb++ Scott Grey rip past you on a tiny Honda with pizza cutter wheels by lap three.

NOTHING like being thrown in at the deep end.
Nothing.
When Rob checks in, the thread officially is legit. I don't have much to add other than to say those where the AFM glory days...wait lists, simple class structures, and a strong desire to win among all who gridded up.
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Old 03-29-2021, 10:00 AM   #51
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....and a fax machine to get your entry in.
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I started racing in 1991 at Willow Springs and did my first AFM event in 1992. Being at the back of the grid with 65 600's then riding over and around all the hills was life changing. After my first weekend at Sears I returned to Willow Springs and somehow lost a second off my lap times. The 4 hour endurance races I did at Sears where probably the most fun I've had on a motorcycle. Thanks for the memories
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....and a fax machine to get your entry in.


I remember the race to the mailbox at the beginning of the season to get your first race weekend entry post-card form back to the AFM so they could process it and put you up on the grid as close to the first row in your best class as first-come-first-serve could.

don't recall ever being smart enough to use a fax machine ... probably why my fellow competitors always seemed to get a better first-race-of-the-season grid position than me.

idk, maybe the mailbox first-come-first-served thing only worked among those of us who didn't have any points to grid by from the previous season ... still, I wanted to beat those guys to the mailbox.

dang, when I started club racing I used to work for my gate fee by scoring, with ten or twenty other people, with paper and pencils!
scoring 4 hour endurance races that way was a trip. each team had to supply a scorer, as I recall, and we used to jot down the time as our team crossed start/finish that was on a big digital timer across the track. wasn't unusual to have to wait hours or even a couple of days to get the official results of an endurance race ...
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John, AFM had 10-20 people hand scoring the races back in the day?
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seem to recall that the AFM in '93 had a pretty dedicated, smaller, scoring crew, that didn't need any extra help from a 500 Twins racer.

The big crew in the stands at the start finish was at Bryar Motorsports Park in the late '80s. we'd all furiously try to write the number down of each bike as they crossed start/finish, and after the race we'd all put our heads together and come up with the finishing order at the checkers. this was back when scoring errors were more of a thing.

anyway, loved Sears Point before NASCAR got to it. not that it was bad, post-NASCAR, just different. you know. fancy-er, so peeps started calling it Sonoma, instead. idk.

have my old race notebook somewhere. pretty sure I made a diagram of braking points, etc., after a track walk. sitting here today, seem to recall that there were a lot of seams, patches, bumps and holes in the track at the time.
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There were definitely quite a few scorers at the old races, particularly the 4 hour. God, I remember being so pissed for being listed as sixth instead of fifth or some such BS.
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Ah, the 4-hour at Sears. Those were the days, John. Thanks for scoring for us, and not crashing!


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...when I started club racing I used to work for my gate fee by scoring, with ten or twenty other people, with paper and pencils!
scoring 4 hour endurance races that way was a trip. each team had to supply a scorer, as I recall, and we used to jot down the time as our team crossed start/finish that was on a big digital timer across the track. wasn't unusual to have to wait hours or even a couple of days to get the official results of an endurance race ...
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Ah, the 4-hour at Sears. Those were the days, John. Thanks for scoring for us, and not crashing!

oh my, there's a pic for me today! something else to consult my old race notebook about. the mid-'90s? those were the days, indeed.

you'll always be the fearless real-roads-to-Cabo racer, to me.
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