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Old 02-22-2019, 08:40 PM   #31
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Once stopped, or near stopped, begin figuring out which way you're going to run. GET OUT OF THE IMPACT ZONE/ TRAFFIC. Get out of the impact zone if the track/ roadway is still live. Do not turn your back to traffic/ the track. I've crawled away as fast as I can several times. Safe now, hurt later is the rule.

Evaluate injuries one clear of danger.

I'm pretty paranoid about getting run over or hit after an accident and it's more common than one would think.
Totally this. I remember crashing at T3 top of the hill, sears point, old course. The guy in front of me went down, I saw the oil, but it was too late and I followed him in. I got up, ran to the tire wall, and dived over. He was still standing there staring at this bike when the next bike tunneled in.
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Old 02-22-2019, 10:19 PM   #32
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I had a car turn left through traffic in front of me while traveling about 10 MPH, jumped off the bike, ran past the front of the car and the bike T bone the front of the car. I never fell down!
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Old 02-23-2019, 02:22 PM   #33
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I saw video of a guy spill on the S280 - 101 interchange. He rolled a couple times and then came up to a jog on his feet. He couldn't run that fast and fell again, but was mostly unhurt except scrapes from no gear.

I read a post here by tokyodelicious saying to learn how to slide so you don't tumble and break your bones.

I've read a lot about avoiding crashing and evaluating crashing and crash stats, but not much about surviving a crash. How to fall, land, and not get hurt doing it.

I had a similar thought about what or how to crash, when that is what is going to happen. Such as, if you cooked a turn and the bike and you physically cannot make it - not a target fixation problem - what do you do at that point to lessen the injury?

Who teaches how to crash and where can you practice?
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Me neither, but a video of that will go viral.

What video? I don't see no link here.
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Old 02-23-2019, 08:27 PM   #34
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Thinking that you are a “good crasher” is like thinking that you can judge a relationship based on a first date. That shit is crazy.

I’ve crashed on the track at 100mph+ when a dude (on a bumblebee R1) took out my rear. I slid for days...watched my R6 cartwheel right on by...until I didn’t, hit the curb which tossed me cloudward, but then I had soooo much air-time, I made a plan (relax/tuck/roll), wrote my will, and sent out my own condolences letters. Ended up dislocating my thumb (felt it go when I caught it on the curb). But, that was THAT crash. I have also gone down at the track, done $30 in damage to the bike, but wobbled away with 4-broken ribs and a broken shoulder blade....zero time to create a plan or be a “experienced crasher” on that one.

I’ve crashed on the dirt so many zillion times, there were times I KNEW I broke something, but nope. (As she knocks on wood multiple times).

Have also crashed on the street, thanks to an old asshat who didn’t like bikers. Also skittered away from that one with only a concussion.

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Old 02-24-2019, 12:06 PM   #35
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Martial arts (tumbling, falling, and getting out of various joint locks) can actually teach you a fair bit of muscle memory and help you develop "orientation" IMO. It will teach you to keep your limbs in, not to stick an arm out to catch yourself, etc.

Takes time and practice, but I think it can be fairly effective if you are lucky enough to have a crash where you have the space to actually complete whatever slide/tumble/etc you need.

The idea of crashing on the street becomes far more terrifying when you crash on the track and realize just how far you go before you stop without a solid object between points A and B. I think the furthest I went was at Buttonwillow off the bus stop, tumbled for what felt like forever. I was fine other than some minor bruises and a scuffed finger, but there was a LOOOOONG ways between where that started and where I finally stopped.

Solid objects and being a launched projectile, however, are pretty much impossible to do anything to "prepare" for - so the best defense is - ya, don't crash.

If you do, make sure you're stopped before you stand up.

I now like to make sure limbs are all functioning before jumping up on a broken leg - because, well, been there done that (on a dirt bike).
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Old 02-25-2019, 04:16 PM   #39
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- because, well, been there done that (on a dirt bike).
My son had a great line about this.
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...but you will get hurt on your dirt bike."
Smart kid. I'm still proving him right.
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The idea of crashing on the street becomes far more terrifying when you crash on the track and realize just how far you go before you stop without a solid object between points A and B. I think the furthest I went was at Buttonwillow off the bus stop, tumbled for what felt like forever. I was fine other than some minor bruises and a scuffed finger, but there was a LOOOOONG ways between where that started and where I finally stopped.
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My son had a great line about this.
"You might get killed on your street bike...
...but you will get hurt on your dirt bike."
Smart kid. I'm still proving him right.
I think there's a corollary.
(and I totally agree with you AND your son)

What you learn,
getting hurt on your dirt bike,
may save your life,
on a street bike.
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I saw video of a guy spill on the S280 - 101 interchange. He rolled a couple times and then came up to a jog on his feet. He couldn't run that fast and fell again, but was mostly unhurt except scrapes from no gear.

I read a post here by tokyodelicious saying to learn how to slide so you don't tumble and break your bones.

I've read a lot about avoiding crashing and evaluating crashing and crash stats, but not much about surviving a crash. How to fall, land, and not get hurt doing it.

I had a similar thought about what or how to crash, when that is what is going to happen. Such as, if you cooked a turn and the bike and you physically cannot make it - not a target fixation problem - what do you do at that point to lessen the injury?

Who teaches how to crash and where can you practice?
if it happened in slo-mo, that would be one thing (time to think), but in each of mine, everything happened so fast it was over before i knew what hit me. all plans went ‘out the window’. the times where i was able to anticipate a crash, was able to avoid it.
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Old 02-25-2019, 10:40 PM   #44
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Such as, if you cooked a turn and the bike and you physically cannot make it - not a target fixation problem - what do you do at that point to lessen the injury?
Well I would lean that bike over as far as i could while trying to make the corner and leaning my body off the bike to prepare for a low side while limiting my bodys height from the ground. Cant say I have done this with the thought of KNOWING I would be sliding but if I did I would likely let the bike go and slide on my back while watching where i was going. if I got gloves and leathers which I would, palms down and feet first with heels above ground so I dont dig in feet. from experience you dont want feet to catch the ground as itll throw your knee right into your chest and flip you...lol...for real, no bueno....
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yeah - and what’s missing from that WRT a street crash is becoming a human pinball amongst other fast moving objects going every which way to avoid the collision. crashing at high speed on the freeway sucks. it’s a tumbling kaleidoscope of rapidly moving impacts and potential impacts. you only have a second or two to try and protect yourself before the eventual head impact. and that’s when the lights go out, and you are at the complete mercy of everyone’s ability to see you motionless on the pavement, and to brake in time. don’t ask me how i know.
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