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Old 05-11-2007, 09:03 AM   #31
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First of all, yes I did some stupid shit in my first few weekends racing, haven't we all?
Usually not in such a compressed time frame, or as overt.

1) The brake caliper incident
2) Dirt clumps falling off my bike after I remounted at Heartland.
2a) I rode as hard as I could to the checkered flag with a separated shoulder.
3) And the infamous water in the belly pan incident

What I guess it really comes down to is that different clubs have different tolerance levels. You would likely not have had as many incidences out here since you’d likely would have been given a good talking too or suspended.

I've met some of the nicest racers in the activity, but they are still oblivious. I guess that's what your write up in RRW shows you as from a veteran's perspective.
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Old 05-11-2007, 09:14 AM   #32
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Since you asked, actually no. I spent my first season listening to the advice of more experienced guys and getting faster without drama or carnage.

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Oh, and I spent a year preparing to start racing. Like going to races before I even started and checking out how things were done, and knowing what I needed to make my weekends go off well.

No one knows this, but I will confess it now. When I took the new racer's school (as put on by AFM at the time) I had anti-freeze in my radiator

Originally it was water, but I had it serviced and the mechanics put regular coolant back in it. That's by "excuse", but it still was glycol based

I didn't crash or anything, but I'm sure I would have been strung up if I had.

Here's one thing I've taken to heart in my racing activities. Have your machine finished and ready to go the weekend before. Arrive at the track ready to go. At most, never need to do anything more than tires.

It makes a world of difference when all you have to do is set up pit, sign in, and go to tech.
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Old 05-11-2007, 09:20 AM   #33
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Thanks for not decapitating me for sticking my head into this thread.

I really have learned a lot along the way, and although I know it seems like a lot of mishaps in a short period of time, keep in mind I ran 93 races last season and can count on one hand the number of really stupid mistakes that took place.

When you consider the number of races versus crashes and dumbass mistakes, it's actually not as bad a ratio as it seems. It's just that all those clean laps and good decisions don't make nearly as good a story/lessons as the crashes and fuckups.

Anyway, I hope you guys "enjoy" some of the future installments.

Again, best of luck in your seasons, and thanks again for not teeing off on me for attempting to elaborate on some of the issues in question.

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Old 05-11-2007, 09:30 AM   #34
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Actually, there are plenty of bigger of mistakes I've seen at the track.

Like the time in the pits some moron, lent his race bike to another moron (who was a racer), and then moron #2 let a third moron who had never rode a motorcycle use the bike in the pits.

Moron #3 then proceeded to rev the bike to the heavens. He got my attention as I was swapping out a rear tire I thought to myself, wow that sounds like the person doesn't know what he is doing (as I myself has seen others do it, rev the throttle too much because they are unfamiliar with how sensitive it is). He let the clutch out and the bike launched into someone elses pits.

At least you're not that guy.
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Old 05-11-2007, 09:32 AM   #35
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Wow. BARF has such a huge following that our ranting and raving trickled all the way across the land to the writer himself.

Good stuff. Almost brings a tear to my eye. Almost.
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Old 05-11-2007, 09:37 AM   #36
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Thanks for not decapitating me for sticking my head into this thread.

I really have learned a lot along the way, and although I know it seems like a lot of mishaps in a short period of time, keep in mind I ran 93 races last season and can count on one hand the number of really stupid mistakes that took place.

When you consider the number of races versus crashes and dumbass mistakes, it's actually not as bad a ratio as it seems. It's just that all those clean laps and good decisions don't make nearly as good a story/lessons as the crashes and fuckups.

Anyway, I hope you guys "enjoy" some of the future installments.

Again, best of luck in your seasons, and thanks again for not teeing off on me for attempting to elaborate on some of the issues in question.

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The issue is reall whether your enthusiasm can be contained enough to prevent further "mistakes". Your actions no only affect you, they affect all of us on the track.

Sounds like you are learning from your mistakes. Have a good season and ride safe.
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Old 05-11-2007, 09:42 AM   #37
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Good on your for manning up Marhsall...that takes balls.

That being said, not many of have done what your history entails. Those that have aren't with the club anymore...nor racing for that matter. I suppose you guys do stuff differently out there, but here, that shit wouldn't fly. Consider this: one guy put down synthetic oil from a cracked case cover. THAT was a big issue alone.

If a new racer (or even experienced for that matter) did some of the things mentioned in your article, they'd be banned for the season. I honestly thought things may have been embellished some until I read your response...my suggestion is "Clean it up man". I believe John U may have printed the articles just for this sort of response...IMO.
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Old 05-11-2007, 09:49 AM   #38
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keep in mind I ran 93 races last season and can count on one hand the number of really stupid mistakes that took place.
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93 F'n races. Thats 10 seasons for some AFM racers.
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Old 05-11-2007, 10:08 AM   #39
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First of all, yes I did some stupid shit in my first few weekends racing, haven't we all? And I learned from those mistakes.
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To clarify a couple of points. The brake caliper incident was a huge mistake
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As for the dirt clumps falling off my bike after I remounted at Heartland. I had no idea the dirt I was racing through in some corners was coming off my bike.
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And the infamous water in the bellypan incident ... yes, it was one of the stupidest things I've ever done, and I learned from it.
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So there you have it, hate if you will, but try and cut me at least a little slack. I'm really not nearly as big a "Fuckstain" as some of you seem to think.

Good luck in your various seasons,

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Marshall,

I see a pattern in your learning experiences. The pattern is you don't actually take note of what you learned and make sure you don't do things again.

Yes we all make stupid mistakes when we start. But learning from the first dangerous mistake and not repeating dangerous mistakes over and over again is what people are having issues with.

Fine you may not forget to torque your caliper bolts down again. But there are so many other things you haven't learned yet that it seems you will need to experience each and every one of them for yourself so you can learn them. Most people do something stupid and dangerous and step back, examine what they are doing and apply that learning experience to the rest of their program. You on the other hand seem to have tunnel vision and that is what makes you unsafe on the track.

It's sad that you didn't figure out your rookie year isn't about winning the championship, its about learning how to be a good safe racer and to live through that experience so you can have a go at it for a second season.

Since your taking off this season, maybe you can actually sit back, review what your experiences were and learn from them.

Now onto your article... You claim your sending in the article so others can learn from you. The problem is you are failing to point out your own short comings in your article so those that are less educated with racing can know what not to do. Instead people may be coming away from your article with the thought that this is all okay cause this guy in the midlands who has his own column did it (and didn't explain how wrong it was).
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Old 05-11-2007, 10:26 AM   #40
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Actually, the series was originally entitled, "Lessons of a Privateer" but John changed the title to "The Rookie Papers"

The original format was much more about highlighting the "lessons" themselves, but when printed they seem to be less of the focus.

In retrospect, given some of the feedback I've seen thus far, I should've made much more of an effort to point out what was to be learned, rather than just what happened. But again, as I wrote them they were really just verbal memoirs of an insanely busy season from a guy who was trying to compete at that level while juggling all the other stuff you're all familiar with in life.

I could've cleaned it all up nice and pretty, and spun it like I was some kind of amateur hero, but what I wrote was an honest account of what was happening, weekend to weekend, while holding down a full time job, maintaining an old home, recovering from a divorce, blah, blah, blah. You get the picture.

Anyway, I honestly do feel like I learned a lot of lessons, many of them the hard way. And I've passed on a ton of what I learned to guys just like me going into racing for the first time. And as I'm sure you guys all know, the more of this kind of stuff that people read and hear about, the safer an experience everyone can enjoy on track.
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Old 05-11-2007, 10:43 AM   #41
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Oh and for the caliper thing, we have to tie them off or RTV them (which adds an additional level of oversite that might prevent such an error).

I've also caught myself not correctly putting in my rear brake pad once, and had to turn around before I got to the track and cut a practice session short.

There are SOOOOO many little things and it happens to SOOO many people ALL the time at race weekends. Most of them know enough to take pause.

We could totally go on a tangent here and point to the 93 races. The AFM point system does not reward trophies for cranking out as many races as possible. And our weekend structure does not permit one to race that much, and our class structure prevents one from running a single bike in just about every class. To even race 10 races a weekend with AFM (and get in 80 races a season) the person would have to have 6 bikes and run more than half the day constantly on the bike.

With AFM to get a trophie you pretty much have to be faster than the person next to you. With other clubs you simply just have to run a lot of races at a lot of events.

Take it back a step, and how about run 2 races a weekend. Thus giving you a lot of time to think things through before you hit the track over and over and over with little time to even as much fill the tank.
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Old 05-11-2007, 10:50 AM   #42
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For sure, I would never run that many classes again. It all started with me running my 750 in the six different classes available. But once Curt came along, running eight classes to my six, and trying to steal the "Midwest Overall Championship" I decided to get another bike to be eligible for more classes. In the end, we wound up running ten classes a weekend, on two different bikes.

I totally agree, too many classes. I'd rather run one or two races that are longer in length, but CCS runs a lot of sprint races so they can have tons of classes.

The only championship that multiple classes count for is the "Overall" which is kind of bogus. But all the other classes are straight up. And yes, I was on the bike almost all damn day. And believe me, you don't win any of those championships without being faster than the guys you grid up with.
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Old 05-11-2007, 11:24 AM   #43
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With AFM to get a trophie you pretty much have to be faster than the person next to you.
Or enter Super Dino. Or F-Singles. Or any Vintage race. But that's a whole other thread...

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Old 05-11-2007, 11:44 AM   #44
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I think some good will actually come from this..
Some future "new racers" will probably read the articles and say(hopefully) to themselves "I don't want to be That Guy" and it will make them be more attentive to what they are doing.

I have'nt read them 'cause RRW can lick the sweat from my sack as far as I'm concerned(Is a subscription 4 issues long?)

BTW "Welcome to BARF Fuckstain"..I mean..Marshall

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Old 05-11-2007, 12:42 PM   #45
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The brake caliper incident was a huge mistake, but I was furiously switching wheels in a dimly lit and crowded trailer in the middle of a downpour. And yes, I forgot to tighten the caliper bolts ... like an idiot, but it was an honest mistake I hope no one else ever makes. The tech inspector didn't catch it, and neither did I. Thus, the "lesson" of always checking your bike over again.
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Hehe--You must have talked to Ulrich or Resus--Youre Welcome

Does CCS NOT require Saftey wire on Caliper bolts(thats plain old scary)????I dont see how this is possible if saftey wire is required--it certainly is for us.

I hear ALOT of excuses/rationalizations, yet still a general trend towards incredibly dangerous actions/in actions--Now this month you bought two 600s--only compounding your potential issues--creating a worse environment for you fellow racers--hopefully you will get some assistance to reduce the probability of a deadly error.

FYI --A "King of the CCS Tards (Amatuer/Novice/Whatever)" isnt worth breaking a fingernail over
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