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Old 12-03-2013, 05:14 PM   #61
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Oh to be young period. Back when most bikes didn't make a lot of power small bikes would rule on the tight and twisties because there was so much less weight to carry around. These days though when you want to go anywhere on the highway you do need a certain amount of power to keep you out of trouble.
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Old 12-08-2013, 09:13 AM   #62
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I guess it all fall apart when you need to overtake 2-3 cars on a two lane country road.


Yeah, it's a problem if they are going above the speed limit on roads with very short straights.

Below the limit?

Not a problem.

Problem with passing multiple cars at once is that it could be the lead car holding up the other cars and THEY might have the same idea as you which means they could jump out at exactly the same time you are adjacent to their driver's door.

One at a time makes far more sense...or just drop back and/or stop for a few minutes.

Banzai passing moves in the twisties can be a bad idea even with 150hp on tap.
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Old 12-09-2013, 09:53 AM   #63
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Great post. I'd love to build a sumo one day, but in the big scheme of things i like the f4/f4i because its plenty of power and great handling for the twistys, AND I can take it up the highway to meet my friends, take it the long ass all highway commute to school, roll two up every once and a while. I've tried riding long distance on my buddies wr400 and I've tried going over 70 and both of those made me feel like I was trying to putting the bike through physical harm lol. To me smaller bikes are only fun to use as toys and if they weigh like nothing haha
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Old 12-12-2013, 09:39 PM   #64
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I love this thread, i started riding the track on an 05 GSXR 1000, WAY more power than i ever should have started on. I now ride a CRF450 SuperMoto. I have more fun on the SuperMoto than i EVER had on the Gixxer.

Low horsepower bikes have taught me so much, and are such a blast! Id rather ride on the ragged edge of a small bike then NEVER reach the full potential of a Liter bike. Maybe someday, but im good with my 35-50 horsepower...
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Old 12-23-2013, 11:24 AM   #65
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As they say.. it is more fun to ride a slow bike fast, than a fast bike slow. (i know i say it quite a bit.. and live it every time i hop on the KLR)
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Old 02-14-2015, 08:59 PM   #66
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I learned to ride streets on a 100cc, moved up to a 250cc and then a 400cc. Now I am on a liter bike and I do not miss small, lightweight bikes. They were fun in my teens & 20's, 30' and 40's, but my body is tired and I like the comfort and power of large displacement bikes. I have to ride smoother because it is not as forgiving as the lighter stuff.
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Old 03-14-2015, 04:48 PM   #67
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Folks,

I'm timid to reply here because I'm mostly a lurker, however Saxon's post seemed to kill this thread which I didn't like. I believe that there is much merit in this perspective.

I'm of a similar mind about riding lower powered bikes as the thread was focused on. I'm in Scotts Valley so joining those in the East Bay is difficult for me.

My current ride is my restored '86 VF 500 F which may be a bit too powerful to fit the profile. However being an old guy and a slow rider maybe I could fit in.

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Old 03-14-2015, 05:01 PM   #68
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Nobody had posted in a year when he put that up, so it was already pretty moribund.

There's a lot to be learned from lower power bikes - including being smooth. You've got to conserve that momentum.
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Old 03-14-2015, 05:20 PM   #69
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There's a lot to be learned from lower power bikes - including being smooth. You've got to conserve that momentum.
And consider balancing carrying momentum with lack of brakes on most small displacement bikes. So it is kind of a double edge sword, the need to carry extra speed thru the corners vs not being able to slow down quickly if you need to once carrying extra corner speed..
My 'ol KLR could get thru the corners quickly carrying the momentum but you were fubared if you needed to slow/stop in a big hurry.
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Old 03-14-2015, 06:24 PM   #70
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And consider balancing carrying momentum with lack of brakes on most small displacement bikes. So it is kind of a double edge sword, the need to carry extra speed thru the corners vs not being able to slow down quickly if you need to once carrying extra corner speed.

My 'ol KLR could get thru the corners quickly carrying the momentum but you were fubared if you needed to slow/stop in a big hurry.
Depends on the bike. Stopping distances for the Ninja 250, 300, and 650, and the Versys are all in the same range as the best sport-tourers and some 600 sportbikes. The KLR, however, is well off that performance. It's a trade-off, of course: its height and tires improve its capability in the dirt, but cost on the pavement.

Small street bikes these days give up nothing in braking--at least at the speeds they go.

(data from Motorcycle Consumer News road tests)
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Old 03-14-2015, 07:11 PM   #71
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Thats good to hear that the budget brakes have improved these days
Unfortunately I am one of those wankers who expects one finger actuated four four pot radial mounted calipers with near race grade pads that can stand you on your head at speed is 'Just what the Dr ordered!'
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It's all about learning to deal with limits. It's fun to ride a bike that hits its limits before introducing you to your own. Power's a limit. Brakes are a limit. And so on. Dealing with low power and less than great brakes (I had an 09 KLR, and the brakes weren't great, but not as bad as the earlier versions) can be a great education. It's sort of like learning to optimize a system. Lots of riding lessons to be had there.
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Old 03-14-2015, 08:11 PM   #73
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As I recall...my KLR limits were found at about 103mph...
Normally mine were much less...Normally that is.
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Old 03-24-2015, 07:56 PM   #74
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It's all about corner speed anybody can twist the throttle on a liter bike but nobody could touch me up hwh9 on my Rgv250
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Old 09-04-2015, 02:15 PM   #75
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Reviving an old thread, I like low HP bikes, YZF-R3 here!
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