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Old 11-18-2016, 03:14 PM   #16
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I built two Dyna 70s and custom boxes with drivers from the old Speaker City in San Rafael. Pre-CD days. My friends were hardly impressed, they just wanted it LOUDER. I could never get the Dyna pre-amp to behave, can't remember what I ended up using. But those mono blocks brought good money when I sold them.

Now, I have Tannoy 501s and a Airport feeding it iTunes playlists. The little Tannoys are sublime. And they get way louder than old ears would ever need. They are also hidden behind plants so it's like magic music emanating from the walls. Cost is reasonable, less than $200 each, and they blow away top-shelf stuff from not so many years ago.

950 watts RMS? That's nightclub loud! The new PA systems my dad's band uses are stupidly light, insanely powerful, and really expensive. But overall, being an audiophile is a lot easier than it once was.
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Old 11-19-2016, 01:24 AM   #17
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I just started playing with some new to me equipment. So much fun. My budget is meager compared to most, so I've purchased mostly used and some new. I'm running a used Jolida 202a. I LOVE tubes! I'm also running a new Schiit Multi Bit DAC through used Wireworld Oasis 7 interconnects and a new Ultraviolet 7 USB. I've got them connected to a pair of PSB Alphas I've had for some time. I picked up some used Wireworld Eclipse 6 speaker cables for a bargain. OMG, lots of warmth and detail. It's very very different from any stereo I've ever had. I may do some tube rolling, but I'm thinking I'll get different speakers first. I'm eyeballing a pair of used Meadowlark Swifts. I have an older Thorens turntable, but I haven't hooked it up yet. Still looking into preamps and cartidges. Thinking Denon 110 on the cartridge, but also looking at a Grado Silver. Or, scrap it and go with a Pro-ject Carbon. Kind of a cool hobby.
Welcome to the wonderful world of aural blissfulness.

First audiophile rule: make sure that the value of your music collection far exceeds the value of your stereo. In other words, buy lots of music.

A corollary of the above: if you thought motorcycles were expensive, prepare to go broke on the pursuit of the perfect sound.

Congratulations on your new gear; that's pretty much how everyone starts -- and it usually never ends.

At some point in my audiophile life I got into tube gear, spent quite a lot on tube rolling, but I was never fully satisfied. One day I tried some powerful solid state gear and I never looked back. Tubes may work for some types of music, but did not work for the type of listening I do. Ask yourself what your objective is: are you looking to reproduce the live experience? Or will you be happier with more sedate listening volumes?

Turntables can get really expensive; do you have that many records to make it worth your while?

The Meadowlarks are not very sensitive, so they are not a very good match for the Jolida. Tube rolling at this point does not seem like a good investment of your time or money. Where you go from here depends on your listening environment: how big is your listening room, and what kind of sound levels are you trying to achieve?
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Old 11-19-2016, 01:50 AM   #18
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The new wave of audiophiles are not like that now. Bang for your buck is big these days.
So the new wave isn't gonna trash my $60 dollar DAC and Massdrop Headphones?

Good to know.

They are quite nice.
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Old 11-19-2016, 08:32 AM   #19
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I'm probably opening a can of worms, but any fans of SACD here?
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Old 11-19-2016, 12:40 PM   #20
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I just started playing with some new to me equipment. So much fun. My budget is meager compared to most, so I've purchased mostly used and some new. I'm running a used Jolida 202a. I LOVE tubes! I'm also running a new Schiit Multi Bit DAC through used Wireworld Oasis 7 interconnects and a new Ultraviolet 7 USB. I've got them connected to a pair of PSB Alphas I've had for some time. I picked up some used Wireworld Eclipse 6 speaker cables for a bargain. OMG, lots of warmth and detail. It's very very different from any stereo I've ever had. I may do some tube rolling, but I'm thinking I'll get different speakers first. I'm eyeballing a pair of used Meadowlark Swifts. I have an older Thorens turntable, but I haven't hooked it up yet. Still looking into preamps and cartidges. Thinking Denon 110 on the cartridge, but also looking at a Grado Silver. Or, scrap it and go with a Pro-ject Carbon. Kind of a cool hobby.
What is your budget for new speakers?

Floorstanding or stand mount?

The Meadowlark Swifts have one of the weirdest frequency response graphs I've ever seen, (the black line is the one to look at).

http://www.stereophile.com/floorloud...6roDh1StYEr.97



Assuming your Thorens TT works save your money towards the cartridge.

I own the Project Carbon with Ortofon Red cartridge and it is a very good combination, no question.

Main speakers in my HT, and I love them, are Usher V602s, in my secondary listening room I have Martin Logan LX16s and I compared them to my old B&W CM1 Concept 90s as well as to the excellent Q Acoustics Concept 20s and the quality of sound was close for all but where the Martin Logan Folded Motion tweeter really shined was when listening to Classical, Jazz or Acoustic music where the improved detail of that tweeter really shone through.

Both speakers are paired with subwoofers; the main HT has a Velodyne DD15+ (msrp over $4k) while the secondary room has two pathetic little Yamaha SW012s at a grand total of $183 for both.

I have to say while the DD15+ is might impressive, so are the pair of little Yamahas. Having two of them gives a real sense of tight controlled bass down to a true 28hz coming from everywhere/nowhere.

28hz is fine for music but the 15hz of the DD15+ for movies is like twisting the throttle on a literbike!
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Old 11-19-2016, 12:42 PM   #21
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ive got a pair of MonitorAudio Bronze 2's run by a decade old Pioneer Integrated Amp playing Spotify off my Mac through its optical audio port. do i count as an audiophile?
Very nice speakers, I'm sure they sound great with that old well regarded Pioneer.

My secondary music system is powered by a 35 year old NAD7250PE I bought new back in the day.

Still in use daily.
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If you have a big "soft" room, and like an extended top end the Martin Logan Electromotion ESL electrostatic loudspeakers are the best bang for the buck and are easily driven by tube amps. As you may know, electrostatics that are tube driven are near the holy grail of best systems and M-L makes it easy to do.
Really need a very large room for those as they like to pulled away by several feet from the room boundaries.

Thankfully I don't have a big enough house to consider those excellent speakers.
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I like some audiophile gear, but I honestly hate dealing with audiophiles. Audio is way too subjective and some audiophiles are way too snobbish about their preferences. I used to have a set of Klipsch speakers. bookshelves and a sub hooked to an OK receiver. Talked to a guy about the setup I had and his response was, "That's ok for a budget setup I guess." He then showed off his set which was surround sound, some brand that he talked up a lot and sounded expensive. He played some music on it and honestly, I thought my setup sounded just as good if not better. I'm sure that audiophile types would have some thing about how the mids were washed out or some shit like that but what do I care if it sounds good to me, right?
A true audiophile will tell you that if you found speakers you like then you are a lucky person no matter their "pedigree."

The Klipsch Palladiums are to die for.

The "audio fools" constantly on the prowl for the latest questionable tweak and yet never satisfied are the ones I feel sorry for, to be honest.
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Old 11-19-2016, 12:51 PM   #24
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So the new wave isn't gonna trash my $60 dollar DAC and Massdrop Headphones?

Good to know.

They are quite nice.
Ha ha.

In my secondary listening room I stream music from my computer using the built in Realtek Dac and, guess what, I can play a vinyl record and compare it to the WAV rip on my computer and they sound, gasp, the same!

How much is the built in Dac do you think.

$3?
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I'm probably opening a can of worms, but any fans of SACD here?
I bought a DVD player back in the day that had that capability but could never be bothered to set it up!
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Shit there are several phones with legitimate DAC's and headphone amps built in.
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Shit there are several phones with legitimate DAC's and headphone amps built in.
Some people think DACs are as different as phono cartridges or speakers.

Um, no!
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And as for speakers, most people can't even discern frequencies above, say, 18,000 Hz, unless they're still a teenager of course.
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Ha ha.

In my secondary listening room I stream music from my computer using the built in Realtek Dac and, guess what, I can play a vinyl record and compare it to the WAV rip on my computer and they sound, gasp, the same!

How much is the built in Dac do you think.

$3?
probably, I just needed something with the larger 1/4 inch jack instead of the 1/8 inch one.
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Old 11-19-2016, 02:06 PM   #30
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No, it is not.

Audio *production* (that is, if you are the artist making music) is completely subjective, but audio *reproduction* (what we do as consumers of music) is absolutely objective: we are trying to transmit all the information that exists on the recorded medium, and the science of doing this has been not only well established for almost a century, but also developed to an unprecedented degree over the last 50 years.

The myth that audio is subjective has been promulgated by companies that have a financial interest in seeing that the industry remains a boutique one where unscrupulous vendors promote snake-oil products because "if it sounds good to you, then it is good".

Most of the press has been complicit in this charade, and the public (who, for the most part, have no technical backgrounds) has bought this fallacy wholesale.

We can characterise the quality of an audio device as accurately as we can the quality of any other electronic component, but this would ruin about 80% of the industry, so there is no incentive for anyone to undertake this task.
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