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This will cost the UFC millions


The Spin of no other athletes is easy: because they're a near monopoly no active fighters are able ro speak out because of fear

As long as they can point to Bellator/Viacom, WSOF, OneFC, etc, the monopoly part of this isn't going to get the traction the accusers want it to. Hands down biggest promotion sure but there's still enough going on elsewhere. The only thing they can really point to is the assimilation of Strikeforce. I can't count WEC because that was really just adding those smaller weight classes to the UFC.

Biggest factor I can see coming from this is the Reebok deal and how that plays into this. I don't really know what to think because the real specifics and details aren't even released yet.

I read more of the suit and I just don't think it will make the dent it was intended to.
 
As long as they can point to Bellator/Viacom, WSOF, OneFC, etc, the monopoly part of this isn't going to get the traction the accusers want it to. Hands down biggest promotion sure but there's still enough going on elsewhere. The only thing they can really point to is the assimilation of Strikeforce. I can't count WEC because that was really just adding those smaller weight classes to the UFC.

Biggest factor I can see coming from this is the Reebok deal and how that plays into this. I don't really know what to think because the real specifics and details aren't even released yet.

I read more of the suit and I just don't think it will make the dent it was intended to.



OneFC is not a USA company and doesn't hold events in the USA. There's a non factor. WSOF has publically stated they would love to be a feeder system for UFC, to showcase talent and have their stars move to UFC

Really only bellator can be spoken of as actual c
 
Not sure what to think of this. When I read who the plaintiffs are, I eye-rolled. The Sour Grapes Crew. But then, they have this fierce legal team, so maybe the law suit does have some real meat on it? I don't know.

Do I think the UFC strong arms people and competitors? DUH! Illegally? Hard to say.

Thing is, tho, this is the fricking fight business! It's owned by casino-owners. These guys aren't running an inner-city non-profit after school care program for disabled baby seals, they're fucking gangsters. They pay people to beat each other up.

Of course people should be treated fairly, or as fairly as can be expected, but this is a cut throat business and I imagine the most successful fighters are not only excellent fighters but cut throat business men as well or at least have cut throat people handling their business.
 
http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/12/16/7406409/the-key-questions-in-the-lawsuit-filed-against-the-ufc

Some excerpts

And in recent years, with the implement of the sponsor tax, fighters themselves had seen a one-time lucrative market dry up, both from the tax and from market conditions. Some companies found, over time, that it was not economically worthwhile to spend the level of money it had in sponsoring fighters

For a time, White claimed any fighter who appeared in a competing video game produced by EA Sports (which years later acquired the UFC license when THQ had financial problems) would never be allowed in the UFC. However, when top fighters who were in the EA Sports game became available, that provision was quickly forgotten about.

The lawsuit addresses issues of exclusive fighter contracts, UFC decisions that they claim have restrained fighters from making as much as they could from both the sponsorship market and the merchandise and licensing market, as well as UFC's ability to use the likeness of the fighters, per their contract, even after the fighter is no longer with the organization.

Dell'Angelo said that the domination of the market by UFC and ability to extend the contracts indefinitely, since the UFC has the rights to match outside offers when the contracts expire, prevents rival promotions from garnering the best talent and makes real competition in the marketplace virtually impossible.

Maysey said the difference between this and the major sports leagues, which also control virtually all the top talent and have the stadium and television deals to where it would be a virtual impassability to compete with them, is that the leagues have teams with individual owners, and the teams are in competition, plus the biggest leagues have players associations. Even in individual sports, like golf, he argued that each tournament is not owned by the same owner, even if the major league tournaments for the most part fit into the same organizational banner.

It also mentions the champion's clause, which allows the UFC the right to extend a fighter's contract as long as they hold a UFC championship. This blocks rival promotions from bidding for the person generally considered best in the world in their specific weight classes


They also note that UFC has the ability to merchandise fighters in perpetuity worldwide, which would lower the fighter's leverage to garner merchandising or video game deals for the fighters themselves after leaving the organization, since the company negotiating with them wouldn't even get exclusivity on their rights. They also note that if a fighter loses and is cut, the UFC still can merchandise the fighter when no longer with the organization, or even after retirement. It also notes a fighter can't even sit out the terms of his contract, because if a fighter refuses to fight, like Randy Couture did years back, the UFC can freeze the contract length and essentially either force the end of his career or force him to return.
 
And some bad ones

It claimed the UFC had exclusive deals with key venues on the Las Vegas strip, which wouldn't allow rival promotions to run in those key arenas. It also noted that Quinton "Rampage" Jackson had negotiated an action figure deal with Round 5 and a Reebok deal, but the UFC blocked both deals and entered into deals of its own with both companies.

There was also a claim that UFC had threatened sponsors that if they work with rival promotions, the UFC would ban them from being part of UFC events or sponsoring UFC fighters. The suit mentioned that Fedor Emelianenko, according to his manager, Vadim Finkelchstein, had a potential seven-figure one-year sponsorship deal with Tapout that fell through with Finkelchstein claiming they were told to either dump Emelianenko or lose access to UFC events.
 
Damn.

How does it work on boxing? Can a fighter fight for WBO and the IBF or whatever? Or go fight in a regional series?

The Reebok deal does sound shitty.
 
Hours upon hours of sound bites. :laughing

Man, I don't know what this will spell. If the UFC as we know it folds, I don't know what will happen. I do think there is an over-saturation right now, but I also don't mind not buying the majority of PPV's, too.
 
Since the fighters are independent contractors, there's also the case of then reebok deal potentially being a breech of labor laws

Personally I think Dana is in trouble here. The UFC Wont fold, but drasti changes in their contracts will take place. I wouldn't be surprised if this ends with Dana stepping down
 
That might not be a bad thing.

The Reebok deal stinks in my mind. You could theoretically be a thoroughly middle-tier fighter and make a massive killing if you have great sponsorships and that should be that person's ability to do so. I don't think that would be the case with the Reebok deal.
 
Why not both? Why can't the shorts or tights be reebok with the logo and fighters still have other sponsors on top of it?
 
So on UFC tonight they said that Rory is no longer in line for the title shot, this comes after months of Dana saying that Rory was the clear number one.

This means one of two things to me:

#1 Lawler vs Hendricks 3 is coming

OR (and the one I think is more likely)

There is a hint that GSP might be coming back. The UFC knows that Rory won't fight GSP and they need GSP as the champ to make that money
 
Deals can always change if enough fighters and fans call horseshit.
Demetrius Johnson is going to get screwed the most. His sponsor is Microsoft Xbox and I don't know if Reebok can match it.
 
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http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/12/16/7406409/the-key-questions-in-the-lawsuit-filed-against-the-ufc


For a time, White claimed any fighter who appeared in a competing video game produced by EA Sports (which years later acquired the UFC license when THQ had financial problems) would never be allowed in the UFC. However, when top fighters who were in the EA Sports game became available, that provision was quickly forgotten about.

remember this back in 2008? Fitch signed the agreement within a day to be back in.

http://www.mmamania.com/2008/11/19/jon-fitch-christian-wellisch-and-possibly-others-cut-by-ufc

Former number one UFC welterweight contender Jon Fitch was today handed his walking papers for refusing to sign an agreement that would give the promotion exclusive lifetime video game rights to his name and likeness, MMAmania.com can exclusively confirm.

American Kickboxing Academy (AKA) team member Christian Wellisch was also released. Others who do not sign the agreement could also be let go in the near future, including stars Cain Velasquez and Josh Koscheck (he will still headline UFC Fight Night 16: "Fight for the Troops").

Fitch and members of his camp were not immediately available for comment on the startling development.

While the full details are a little murky at this time, Fitch was apparently approached about the issue when he turned in his signed bout agreement to fight Akihiro Gono at UFC 94: "St. Pierre vs. Penn 2" on January 31. And when he and his representatives attempted to negotiate the video game deal it was all or nothing.

He didn't sign it and was terminated shortly therefafter.
 
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In other news, is anybody interested in FN58? :dunno

I are.

Of course. Machida and Barao for free is a great deal!


I am seeing rumors that Rampage is coming back to the UFC. He can still put on some exciting fights. Rampage vs Manuwa, Shogun, or Rumble would be fun :thumbup
 
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