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Shoot car thieves or not?

Yakoo752 said:
Agreed

I leave the decision up to the officer. He decided, for whatever reason, not to engage. He made the right decision

He also would have been justified in firing.
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Agreed excellent restraint and saved lives in the end. Thats the kind of policing that needs to be recognized :)
 
JakesKTM said:
Dude - lynching carries a very negative presumption. Perhaps you were being sarcastic?
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Absolutely. Extrajudicial use of deadly force -regardless of the situation- is completely fucked. It needs to be evaluated VERY carefully. Not celebrated like a bloodsport
 
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Based on that video, the question is not whether police should shoot car thieves, but if they should shoot drivers trying to run over police who are subduing an accomplice of the driver.

Glad to see that the cop did not shoot, but it would have been a justified escalation of force if he did shoot the driver in my opinion. The driver intentionally tried to run over the cop, that is no different than shooting at the cop, so a return of deadly force by the police seems reasonable to me. The initial crime of attempted car theft has nothing to do with whether lethal force would have been legally or morally justified, had it been used, in that situation.
 
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Shoot. The saving of grief/property/life to society of the future crimes of someone willing to run down a police officer or his own accomplice is 'Worth It'
 
Eldritch said:
I do not choose Authority, I apply the same thought to a private citizen defending their property. Kill all thieves.
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:thumbup

Nothing wrong with people getting shot, if they are the right people.. :teeth
 
Shoot.

When the car thief tries to run over a cop, that's the same thing as pointing a gun at them.
 
mototireguy said:
So happy those car smash grab thieving punk scumbags crashed 6 blocks away and were arrested.

Shooting at moving vehicles risky. Sometimes you have clear view of occupants and clear reasons to shoot. Sometimes dark tinted car windows with kids in the front/back seat.

Great article from some local news, they spent the day with some contractor working on a house at the Lombard tourist hot spot. Contractor has a birds eye view of the theft action, can spot the signs easy, white/silver car with paper license plates, circles block 2-3-4 times scanning, car stops punk breaks window and grabs, car gone. Reporter saw this 4x during his interview.

SFPD can easily setup spotters with radios in key locations at smash grab hot spots. Better yet radio beacon backpacks in back seats of bait cars. My understanding is that the our DA Gascon won't prosecute due to whatever reasons, misdemeanor only crime, blah blah, whatever.
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the reporter even got pictures of someone breaking a window and pulling things out. http://www.sfgate.com/g00/news/arti....php?t=6a802edc43&i10c.encReferrer=&i10c.ua=1

however, they can't prosecute because the van was rented by Chinese tourists, it isn't a felony unless it was locked, and the tourists couldn't return to testify in court that it was locked



the main problem I have with shooting is that it makes a mess of the (presumably stolen) car the thieves were using
 
TylerW said:
Why even have a judicial system at all if you're comfortable letting the police decide who gets to live and who needs to die?

I will tell you: I am not.
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I think you are reading more into what I said than I implied. I am OK with trained professional protecting the public and themselves when shit happens like the vid showed. The office showed restraint.. I would have like to see him shoot the tires out, but I am not saying he should have shot the driver per say.

If he would have.. I would be OK with it, but his choice as a LEO and human was his alone and he chose not to.

BTW: Nice right hook Officer. That was awesome. :thumbup
 
I would not have been upset to see that guy get shot.
Someone steals from me I'm wishing the worst possible outcome for that mofo.
 
I see the racists on BARF are talking in code again.

Lynching-Vigilante Justice

Full:
http://www.historynet.com/lynching-vigilante-justice.htm

America’s historical propensity for lynching is unique and grew out of a deep history of vigilantism. During the late 1760s, mobs of backcountry farmers in the Carolinas who bristled at taxes levied by the British colonial authorities descended on tax court proceedings, dragged judges outside, then beat them with clubs and whips. Groups of citizens who felt they could deliver their own sense of justice gained validation during the War for Independence, argues Michael Pfiefer, author of Rough Justice: Lynching and American Society: “The Revolution unshackled Americans from traditional hierarchical constraints through its radical invocation of the people as the font of political authority.” After the Civil War, a widespread vigilante impulse among Southern whites morphed into race-based violence that shadowed American life deep into the 20th century. From 1882 to 1968, at least 4,745 people were lynched in America, including 1,297 whites who were mostly victims of vigilante mobs in the West, according to archival records of the Tuskegee Institute in Alabama. The killings were carried out by ordinary townsfolk and organized white supremacist groups like the Ku Klux Klan, and largely tolerated by everyone in power, from the local sheriff to U.S. senators.

Although lynchings tapered off after the 1960s, they have not disappeared. White supremacy groups are active in both the North and the South. The FBI lists 6,604 hate crimes reported in 2009.
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ABC7's video claims that the use of force policy prohibits firing at a suspect in a moving vehicle, so the officer may have decided against shooting in order to keep his job.
 
Junkie said:
ABC7's video claims that the use of force policy prohibits firing at a suspect in a moving vehicle, so the officer may have decided against shooting in order to keep his job.
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If only the officer who killed Jordan Edwards had been so mindful.
 
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