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Shoot car thieves or not?

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http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/02/02/video-car-breakin-alamo-square-sfpd/

SAN FRANCISCO (CBS SF) — Three men arrested Thursday for allegedly trying to run over an undercover SFPD officer after a car break-in near Alamo Square Park have been identified, police said Friday.
Alamo Square Car Burglary Arrest

The suspects, 25-year-old Devonta Lofton, 23-year-old Adrian Landers, and 19-year-old Jamon Butler, all from San Francisco, were arrested Thursday on suspicion of crimes including attempted homicide, assault with a deadly weapon, burglary and hit-and-run causing injury.

The incident began around noon Thursday as an undercover team was watching the Alamo Square area. Police have been trying to stop an epidemic of car thefts that saw 30,000 break-ins last year.

A Florida tourist said that her husband saw a man smash their car window with a hammer. An officer approached the thief but was hit by a car driven by an apparent accomplice. The suspect also was hit.

Police arrested the driver and a passenger after the car crashed several blocks away.
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Glad they weren't shot, though I could see some justification if I were a cop and had that minuscule threshold for deadly force.

Better to let the criminals rampage and get caught later than take care of business and deal with the inevitable riots and bridge closures.
 
CABilly said:
Glad they weren't shot, though I could see some justification if I were a cop and had that minuscule threshold for deadly force.

Better to let the criminals rampage and get caught later than take care of business and deal with the inevitable riots and bridge closures.
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Would that be your perspective had the story read...

"The police arrested the driver and passenger after a collision which took the lives of a family including 3 children aged 18 months, 3 and 5 years old."

The time lapse between living and being dead is often a miniscule amount of time.

Just trying to figure out the lens through which you see things like this. Somehow the equating of bridge closures and a loss of an innocent life seem rather strange.
 
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So happy those car smash grab thieving punk scumbags crashed 6 blocks away and were arrested.

Shooting at moving vehicles risky. Sometimes you have clear view of occupants and clear reasons to shoot. Sometimes dark tinted car windows with kids in the front/back seat.

Great article from some local news, they spent the day with some contractor working on a house at the Lombard tourist hot spot. Contractor has a birds eye view of the theft action, can spot the signs easy, white/silver car with paper license plates, circles block 2-3-4 times scanning, car stops punk breaks window and grabs, car gone. Reporter saw this 4x during his interview.

SFPD can easily setup spotters with radios in key locations at smash grab hot spots. Better yet radio beacon backpacks in back seats of bait cars. My understanding is that the our DA Gascon won't prosecute due to whatever reasons, misdemeanor only crime, blah blah, whatever.
 
Schnellbandit said:
Would that be your perspective had the story read...

"The police arrested the driver and passenger after a collision which took the lives of a family including 3 children aged 18 months, 3 and 5 years old."

The time lapse between living and being dead is often a miniscule amount of time.

Just trying to figure out the lens through which you see things like this. Somehow the equating of bridge closures and a loss of an innocent life seem rather strange.
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It's the world we live in now. My post was only mostly tongue-in-cheek.

Guarantee if those robbers were shot, there'd be riots and people marching in the streets and who knows how many other people may die and have their property ruined in the mayhem.

Last I recall, nobody rioted for Tony Balogna and his family. No one was so torn up about it to take to the streets.

But, really, LOL on the equating loss of innocent life and idiots rioting on the bridge - that was all you, bro. You're really good about coming up with these hypotheticals that twist someone's point a bit, then arguing against that.
 
Attacking a LEO with a car is a justifiable reason to use deadly force, in almost every case that I've read about where that occured. Shooting during a car chase, not so much. Too many variables that would lead to innocent casualties. But why the DA's doesn't prosecute these cases is strange, because if one thing was proven in this incident, these criminals are violent and need to be taken off the streets.
 
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Never liked the whole step-in-front-of-the-car-so-you-can-squeeze-off-some-rounds thing. Yeah yeah, I know, if the guys weren't thieves, what if your kids were run over by them because they got away, if their momma raised them right, if abortions were easier, if alcohol didn't cause birth defects, blah blah blah, doesn't change that looks shitty to me.
 
byke said:
Never liked the whole step-in-front-of-the-car-so-you-can-squeeze-off-some-rounds thing. Yeah yeah, I know, if the guys weren't thieves, what if your kids were run over by them because they got away, if their momma raised them right, if abortions were easier, if alcohol didn't cause birth defects, blah blah blah, doesn't change that looks shitty to me.
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I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it gets a pass. But how many cops can you count that have been prosecuted for using deadly force while on duty, and been convicted? The bar is pretty low for LEO's to start shooting people.
 
what are the chances your kid will succeed if you name him "ham"?
 
rsrider said:
I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it gets a pass. But how many cops can you count that have been prosecuted for using deadly force while on duty, and been convicted? The bar is pretty low for LEO's to start shooting people.
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Word and I don't mean to sound like I'm arguing against reality, just noting something that never sits right with me.
 
Because catching these types of criminals is hard? Not really.

So many old school techniques for addressing this problem.

Personally I think some bank type exploding dye packs in laptop bags left on rental car back seats would be the way to go catching these crooks.

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TylerW said:
I mean, police have already killed 120 people this year. If they hope to sustain such an aggressive kill rate, they really need to take every opportunity.
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How many do the dickheads get to kill before the kill rate is OK?? I say zero.

I say shoot the mutherfuckering thieves dead if that is what it takes.
 
budman said:
How many do the dickheads get to kill before the kill rate is OK?? I say zero.

I say shoot the mutherfuckering thieves dead if that is what it takes.
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Why even have a judicial system at all if you're comfortable letting the police decide who gets to live and who needs to die?

I will tell you: I am not.
 
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