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Which is worse? Mass shooting or serial bomber?

The bomber has yet evolved past the once in a while thing, yet. As soon as bombings start to make statements larger than shootings the entire question will change. What has yet to happen is a mass bombing where the bomber sets numerous devices like say 15-20 and they are all sucessfully detonated. When something like that happens, and its just a matter of time, the reaction will be interesting. We aren't equipped to process such events and that is the scary part, what government will do about it.

The media isn't saying much because they have no idea what to say, anymore than the LE agencies do. Even as a serial bomber this is seen as a one person actor, if this starts a trend its beyond comprehension.
 
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Depends. A couple of bombs on commercial flights would not only kill a lot of people but cause worldwide panic. The extra security alone would cost trillions.
 
Mass shootings tend to happen at places where people gather. Bombs, as we've seen, can happen anywhere and aren't targeting a specific group of people that I'm aware of.

Well, Muhammad and Malvo showed that you can also terrorize a population with random small arms fire. A patient sniper can stress a thousand well armed soldiers to their breaking point in varied terrain, especially if air support is not an option.

All the same, there is no question what is worse. All I have to tell you is McVeigh. In one solo incident, he killed more people than the last like 10 combined school shootings and injured another 700, not to mention over $600 Million in damage.

One man, nearly 1,000 lives forever changed or destroyed, over half a billion dollars.

Tell me again how bad the guns are.
 
The bomber has yet evolved past the once in a while thing, yet. As soon as bombings start to make statements larger than shootings the entire question will change. What has yet to happen is a mass bombing where the bomber sets numerous devices like say 15-20 and they are all sucessfully detonated. When something like that happens, and its just a matter of time, the reaction will be interesting. We aren't equipped to process such events and that is the scary part, what government will do about it.

The media isn't saying much because they have no idea what to say, anymore than the LE agencies do. Even as a serial bomber this is seen as a one person actor, if this starts a trend its beyond comprehension.

Ted Kaczynski did 16. I swear, I must be the only guy that studies this stuff.
 
You're correct but thankfully we've only seen that a few times and at the same time. That would totally suck to see multiple shooters across multiple states at the same time.

Here is something we haven't discussed much. A bomb doesn't need someone to be around. A gun requires a shooter, a bomb requires a timer or remote device and I guess that is where I draw the difference.

Until we start seeing shootings by drone... :nerd
 
Well, Muhammad and Malvo showed that you can also terrorize a population with random small arms fire. A patient sniper can stress a thousand well armed soldiers to their breaking point in varied terrain, especially if air support is not an option.

All the same, there is no question what is worse. All I have to tell you is McVeigh. In one solo incident, he killed more people than the last like 10 combined school shootings and injured another 700, not to mention over $600 Million in damage.

One man, nearly 1,000 lives forever changed or destroyed, over half a billion dollars.

Tell me again how bad the guns are.

Wasn’t the bomb right under a packed day care? What a shitty thing to do.

I’m still of the opinion that bombs are worse. With an active shooter I can at least have an idea of what is going on. Witha bomb not so much.

Active shooter we get a school or small area locked down.

Active bomber, did anyone see the house to house clearing in Boston? That shit was crazy. Forget your rights, come out of your house or we will shoot you.

Thoughts?
 
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In some attacks there are both. Columbine had both, yet they did not get to deploy the bombs.

As far as which is worse? I don't know. They're both bad. We should have laws against mass murder.
 
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In some attacks there are both. Columbine had both, yet they did not get to deploy the bombs.

As far as which is worse? I don't know. They're both bad. We should have laws against mass murder.
I've always thought that every murder after the first should cut the appeals process time in half, kill 10 and you get executed in 2.7 years instead of 27, kill 100 and you're exterminated in 3 months.
 
Bombs are way worse to me. More people can be targeted and killed, bigger radius for explosion or shrapnel, never know who or what will be targeted, entire buildings, vehicles like buses, trains, airplanes, and sea craft filled with dozens or more people can be targeted, and our intelligence agencies *seem* to be "ignoring" possible tip-offs in recent times. :nchantr
 
Well, Muhammad and Malvo showed that you can also terrorize a population with random small arms fire. A patient sniper can stress a thousand well armed soldiers to their breaking point in varied terrain, especially if air support is not an option.

All the same, there is no question what is worse. All I have to tell you is McVeigh. In one solo incident, he killed more people than the last like 10 combined school shootings and injured another 700, not to mention over $600 Million in damage.

One man, nearly 1,000 lives forever changed or destroyed, over half a billion dollars.

Tell me again how bad the guns are.

Vegas is in the same ballpark, ish.

I think the biggest difference is, it is difficult to make an effective bomb, you are liable to be caught or blow yourself up while trying to figure it out, getting supplies or whatever.

comparatively, it's rather easy to get a hold of a gun and ammo, which is why the yearly number of deaths by bombs is very low, while deaths by guns is very high.

I think that bombings are worse for the people living in the places involved, because attacks seem like they could come from absolutely anywhere and finding the bad guy seems like it could take forever. especially with the sheer amount of packages people get nowadays with amazon and the like, and dubious delivery by contractors for those packages, package bombs like this could be really terrifying.
 
I don't follow.

I read this as you saying something to the effect of "there are some bullets you can outrun."

I don't think you mean that. I just don't understand how else to read it. Are you talking about effective range maybe?

it the shooter a good shot, are they using a hand gun or a rifle? handgun rounds can mean there is more cover available, rifle rounds mean things like cars may not be considered cover.

nobody is going to "outrun" a bullet, but given your situational awareness and the lack of a skilled shooter, your odds of surviving can go way up
 
Wasn’t the bomb right under a packed day care? What a shitty thing to do.

I’m still of the opinion that bombs are worse. With an active shooter I can at least have an idea of what is going on. Witha bomb not so much.

Thoughts?

Indeed, and no, it was not right under the daycare. Dude claimed he didn't know daycare was in the building, and might have chosen a different building if he knew. That may have been BS and he was clear that he had no remorse for the act itself, even though he felt the loss of children was unfortunate. He considered them collateral damage in his war. He said it was a strike back at the Feds for the unconstitutional murder of citizens by Federal Agents at Ruby Ridge and Waco, which were in fact real things. The ATF and DEA need to be fucking disbanded.

I agree wholeheartedly, bombs are far worse. That is not intended as a trivialization of the suffering small arms ambush survivors endure.

Chemical weapons attacks (Aleph n the 90's) are even worse, in my opinion, due to the insidious nature of the assault itself, but due to the difficulty in obtaining the weapon and staging the attack, I do not consider it anywhere near as bad as bombs. Bombs are far easier to obtain than firearms and have a potentially much nastier K:D ratio. The only place firearms are more dangerous than bombs is ease of deployment.


In some attacks there are both. Columbine had both, yet they did not get to deploy the bombs.

As far as which is worse? I don't know. They're both bad. We should have laws against mass murder.

Yeah, Firearms are they most easily deployed weapon of murder, so they kids opted for lazy instead of effective. I have said since the incident, if the kids had focused on their ordinance rather than the small arms, they would have been wildly more effective. It is an unfortunate positive turn that they focused on the American firearms fetish.

Vegas is in the same ballpark, ish.

I think the biggest difference is, it is difficult to make an effective bomb, you are liable to be caught or blow yourself up while trying to figure it out, getting supplies or whatever.

comparatively, it's rather easy to get a hold of a gun and ammo, which is why the yearly number of deaths by bombs is very low, while deaths by guns is very high.

I think that bombings are worse for the people living in the places involved, because attacks seem like they could come from absolutely anywhere and finding the bad guy seems like it could take forever. especially with the sheer amount of packages people get nowadays with amazon and the like, and dubious delivery by contractors for those packages, package bombs like this could be really terrifying.

So, how many mentally ill persons considering harm against others just blow their own brains out first if they have access to firearms?

You need to remember, the psychology of the Mass Shooter is typically a suicidal one. They seek mass murder as a means of recognition to validate their self loathing and the meaninglessness of their lives. Their negative self image is both validated by the act of perceived evil, while simultaneously marking their significance to the world where they feel insignificant. They make the statement, "yes, I am shit, which is how I have long felt, but I still matter, look now and remember me for who I was."
 
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Let's not forget deadly jet liner attacks.

The September 11 attacks (also referred to as 9/11)[a] were a series of four coordinated terrorist attacks by the Islamic terrorist group al-Qaeda on the United States on the morning of Tuesday, September 11, 2001. The attacks killed 2,996 people, injured over 6,000 others, and caused at least $10 billion in infrastructure and property damage.[2][3]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks
 
Norway actually has a worse occurrence of mass shootings per capita than the USA.

https://www.investors.com/politics/...-s-isnt-the-worst-country-for-mass-shootings/

Norway, France, Switzerland, Belgium, Finland...

Interesting. I like shit like this that challenges common lies and beliefs.

We had several barfers writing exactly the same thing. That these things just don't happen in other first world industrialized countries. Of course, I knew they did and that was a lie, but I did not know rates in European countries were actually higher.
 
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