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Gravel corner cleaning game / BBQ?

mean dad said:
Then Entoptic shoulda scolded him for empowering brash young men to do what brash young men have been doing since there were brash young men.

Instead he straight up claimed op was trying to get other people to do the work; and specifically claimed it was so that op could violate established speed limits with an improved sense of safety and well-being.

It's like he came into the thread looking to talk shit and didn't even bother to read the post.
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Some people like to say stuff like that for no other reason than to troll and instigate.
 
ST Guy said:
I think you may be missing the point. Fact of the matter is, the average joe is going to end up thinking that the road can be ridden faster now that the corners have been cleaned and will end up trying to rail faster through the corners as a result. It's human nature. You don't really think most people would still ride at the same pace, do you? I'd be willing to bet that after the "cleaning", there would be more crashing.

There are other problems as well. How clean is clean and how long will "clean" stay clean?

Do you sweep long enough to remove most of the easily removed gravel and dirt but end up leaving the fine stuff so the road looks clean but has a fine coating of dust or sand remaining? Do you miss spots? Do you get all the loose stuff off but there's still a mist of oil on the road surface from a local farmers 1963 Ford pickup that normally wouldn't be a problem but now that you're going through the corners faster is a problem? And even if you do make the road spotless, who's to say some debris ends up right back on the track from any number of ways between the time you proclaim it clean and your first "run" on the road? Or, assuming you clean all the larger stuff off the road, you've now removed most of the more easily seen visual markers that the surface is dirty and riders miss the fine dirt and sand that remains and end up going down because they don't see the dangers. The larger stuff serves as a more easily seen warning that there are traction problems in that area.

Bad idea all around, IMHO. It's a public road with it's share of "problems". Leave it as it is. Even if you were to get it spotless for one day, do you really want riders to be wicking it up (and they will) on a road with zero run off and miles from any emergency help?

Leave the road alone and ride accordingly.
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lol definitely a killjoy, jeez. If the rider doesn't recognize the dangers of Mines road, then he/she shouldn't be riding it.

I'm pretty sure nature has a tough time getting the road perfectly clean as well. The rain and wind can only do so much. Why not have one less gravel to worry about? Also, why in the world would one not sweep properly? I'm Mexican American lol, my mom taught me how to sweep properly :rofl

dude, really? Grease from a truck? ok, lets think about this. Lets say there is gravel with fine loose dirt mixed in with it from like a small mudslide, or a truck kicking up a corner. That fine loose dirt is going to pick up and absorb the freaking oil. Then good ol Marco comes along and scoops it all up to get off the road. Not to mention, your tires are going to have a hell of a lot better time going through fine dust, then gravel and pebbles. I think you might be overthinking this.

Also, I am by no means a fast rider, mines is just super fun and awesome scenery. Nothing is perfect, we're all human, and maybe we can all learn something along the way. You're betting more crashes after cleaner corners...I say put your money where your mouth is :thumbup

I will try my best to count all crashes for april 2018. Next year I wont touch it. I will bet you...wait, can we bet? gotta check the rules, I dont wanna get banned lol
 
My promised report for on today’s jaunt: Mines was superb today!

Coming from Livermore it was great on the Alameda portion. After the Santa Clara line there were two small water crossings at mile marker 17 & 19. They’re on a straight and you can see them from a distance (one might have been marked with a sign).

Junction was open but a big work crew had cleaned out their stock of burgers and fries, dammit.

Heading back down there were just 3 hillside righthanders that had a few pebbles - nothing really.

No traffic, beautiful day, happy Goat.
 
Slow Goat said:
My promised report for on today’s jaunt: Mines was superb today!

Coming from Livermore it was great on the Alameda portion. After the Santa Clara line there were two small water crossings at mile marker 17 & 19. They’re on a straight and you can see them from a distance (one might have been marked with a sign).

Junction was open but a big work crew had cleaned out their stock of burgers and fries, dammit.

Heading back down there were just 3 hillside righthanders that had a few pebbles - nothing really.

No traffic, beautiful day, happy Goat.
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That's beautiful! very good news, won't need to bring out the big guns lol
 
MarktheShark said:
Not one person has said that..."I" want to clean it up for everyone's safety. I was looking for the communities input on the idea. Period. gives me a reason to go to mines, and I feel like I am helping someone. If nobody else helps out, that's fine to. I'm not looking for anyone to clean up my mess.

Idk about a street sweeper, look it up and let us know lol.

why would you clean corners at a track?

Why can't I just have a simple idea about helping others? Why does it have to be about going fast above the speed limit or pushing boundries? That's what the track is for dude.

You know what happens when you assume...

you're probably a glass half empty kinda guy, that's my assumption lol
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mean dad said:
Why would you ask that? How did you get that from the op?
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Is Mines rideable at the posted speed limit? Why would it need to be cleaned if riders can manage it at the posted speeds? We all know Mines is a race track.

OP what is your goal? Rider safety? If so would you please explain how Mines is dangerous at the posted speed limit? The times I’ve been up there haven’t been so crazy that I needed so slow down to a crawl. Then again, everyone’s idea of a safe road is different.

Mean Dad - the OP never addressed any safety concerns in his post. All he said was clean it up. If the guy wants to do something community oriented, which is awesome, there are plenty of freeways that need trash to be picked up.

Mines is dangerous for a reason. How would you feel to read a report that it was just cleaned, go ripping through a turn to find out it wasn’t cleaned or nature did it’s thing and now your on the side of the road waiting to be choppered out?

I applaud the OP for the idea. I just think the focus is for going faster and feeling safer.
 
Entoptic said:
Is Mines rideable at the posted speed limit? Why would it need to be cleaned if riders can manage it at the posted speeds? We all know Mines is a race track.

OP what is your goal? Rider safety? If so would you please explain how Mines is dangerous at the posted speed limit? The times I’ve been up there haven’t been so crazy that I needed so slow down to a crawl. Then again, everyone’s idea of a safe road is different.

Mean Dad - the OP never addressed any safety concerns in his post. All he said was clean it up. If the guy wants to do something community oriented, which is awesome, there are plenty of freeways that need trash to be picked up.

Mines is dangerous for a reason. How would you feel to read a report that it was just cleaned, go ripping through a turn to find out it wasn’t cleaned or nature did it’s thing and now your on the side of the road waiting to be choppered out?

I applaud the OP for the idea. I just think the focus is for going faster and feeling safer.
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Everyone knows the posted speed limit is for big trucks and grannies in 40 year old Buicks.
 
aweee shit, goat just said it was clean, better go throw the slicks on, its track time! lmao:rofl

Mines could possibly be dangerous at posted speed limits, if there were really bad gravel corners. I thought that was obvious. Luckily, it's not right now, after Goats awesome report.

That's another thing, if someone like goat is gonna give a good report of road conditions, isn't the argument the same here? Oh thanks goat, time to rip it up cuz you gave a road conditions report. Are you gonna jump down his throat to? Nope...I dont think so.

I have never thought of mines as a race track, with all the blind corners. Scary as fuck to me lol, just go to the track for that...jeez
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Aware said:
I can't believe you guys who want to make this a dangerous idea.
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Often people don't fully think out the possible ramifications of their actions. I and others are just playing devil's advocate by pointing out the other side.
 
One concern would be liability:

Lets say you go and sweep a few corners - with completely good intentions.

10 minutes later, idiot rider comes around one of the corners, slides out and crashes. Someone sees you guys doing your work: its easy to see a lawsuit coming even though the guy would have probably crashed anyway.
 
Yeah no. Riding too fast for conditions isn't the fault of anyone but the rider.
 
From this thread I now understand why some people need warning labels on things, like plastic bags which say “This Is Not A Toy, Do Not Place On Head”....
 
Slow Goat said:
From this thread I now understand why some people need warning labels on things, like plastic bags which say “This Is Not A Toy, Do Not Place On Head”....
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:rofl:rofl
 
Me & a riding buddy used to go out Redwood Rd in his PU and clean corners of loose gravel n sand,head back grab our rides and enjoy not worrying about crap ruining our ride.Back in those days (70's) vehicle road traffic was relatively non existent on a weekday so it was like having our own little road track.And no one ever knew it since we did it real early in the morning.
Your idea has some merit as long as you do it safely,whats the harm in it?
Increased speed is not the outcome always.perhaps just the fact you can take a turn at normal speed and not worry about losing it.
stay safe & enjoy the ride
 
Ron George said:
Me & a riding buddy used to go out Redwood Rd in his PU and clean corners of loose gravel n sand,head back grab our rides and enjoy not worrying about crap ruining our ride.Back in those days (70's) vehicle road traffic was relatively non existent on a weekday so it was like having our own little road track.And no one ever knew it since we did it real early in the morning.
Your idea has some merit as long as you do it safely,whats the harm in it?
Increased speed is not the outcome always.perhaps just the fact you can take a turn at normal speed and not worry about losing it.
stay safe & enjoy the ride
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Well said kind sir :thumbup
 
Entoptic said:
Is Mines rideable at the posted speed limit? Why would it need to be cleaned if riders can manage it at the posted speeds? We all know Mines is a race track.

OP what is your goal? Rider safety? If so would you please explain how Mines is dangerous at the posted speed limit? The times I’ve been up there haven’t been so crazy that I needed so slow down to a crawl. Then again, everyone’s idea of a safe road is different.

Mean Dad - the OP never addressed any safety concerns in his post. All he said was clean it up. If the guy wants to do something community oriented, which is awesome, there are plenty of freeways that need trash to be picked up.

Mines is dangerous for a reason. How would you feel to read a report that it was just cleaned, go ripping through a turn to find out it wasn’t cleaned or nature did it’s thing and now your on the side of the road waiting to be choppered out?

I applaud the OP for the idea. I just think the focus is for going faster and feeling safer.
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That does nothing at all to explain this:

Entoptic said:
So lemme get this straight. You want others to clean up Mines so you can race it above the speed limit and feel safe?
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Why did you post your original accusation?
Not a single fucking thing in the op said he wanted others to do it for him, NOR did he say it was to go faster.
Again, curious why you came at him like that.
 
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