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Nation-wide climate strike by students

Holeshot said:
Yah, but at the same time...Coal plants being built too.:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadesh...any-new-coal-plants-being-built/#69ee7f5b5918
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China is not there yet, agreed. The devil is in the details. Knowing how China builds things, "capacity" and actual usage are key to understand.

quote from your article:

Last year, China’s coal consumption dropped 3.7% while coal imports plunged 30.4%.

“The massive over-investment in coal-fired power is a wasted opportunity to deploy clean energy even faster, and overcapacity is exacerbating the problem of ‘wasted’ wind and solar power, as grid operators fail to prioritize renewable energy sources over coal,” Myllyvirta opined.

Basically, China’s unnecessary clinging to coal seems to be a temporary, transitional phenomenon that will gradually wan as the country continues its complicated, jarring transition away from sluggish, dirty state-owned industries towards leaner, more sustainable models of business and energy production.

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I liked this article's wording:

https://www.wired.com/story/china-is-still-building-an-insane-number-of-new-coal-plants/

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Indeed, coal-powered electricity generation in China has flatlined, despite the explosive growth in the number of coal plants. According to Daisy Ren, a doctoral student at Carnegie Mellon who studies the economics of energy policy, China’s coal use is expected to peak around 2020. “We should be concerned about whether China is burning more coal in the future, but increasing its coal capacity is not equivalent to using that much coal,” Ren says. Still, if China has any hope of meeting its climate goals, it needs to be retiring coal plants, not opening new ones.
 
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byke said:
Those are hybrids. Sorry, was the point not clear about how it doesn't seem like we've made the same 40 years of progress in fuel economy as we have in other auto tech?
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I wonder what kind of mileage a modern civic could get if buyers still would accept a 17sec 0-60 time like in the good old days.
 
It’s almost like we agree petsonsl transportation is a really bad way of moving people around regardless of fuel type lol
 
Every time I drive through Sac I wonder, how on earth did they decided a rail from north to south is better than improving service between the areas that people actually use use everyday between the bay through at least Roseville/Folsom.
 
Holeshot said:
a 75' civic is 1,500 lbs. a 2020 is 2800-3050 lbs.



We're foolish for not using nuclear more, IMO.
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So premise of your entire argument is based on 1 car model? Ok...
 
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That was the one brought up right??
 
kevin 714 said:
It’s almost like we agree petsonsl transportation is a really bad way of moving people around regardless of fuel type lol
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Truth. CUT OFF FEET!

budman said:
That was the one brought up right??
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Yah, and comparing apples to apples, most have gone up about 30% in weight.
 
Eldritch said:
I recently switched from a 28 mpg car to a 17 mpg car because I realized that I don't need to drive cars as much as I used to and I like it to be fun when I do. :dunno
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I understand that... I can't help but feel like there's cars that are fun to drive and get good MPG.. the new Toyota 86 gets 32mpg highway... I'd love to have one of those.

The difference in MPG between city and highway for my 93 Hilux 2WD is pretty drastic. Driving around SF I can literally watch the fuel gauge drop... going from SF to Woodside to go hiking and sitting in the slow lane on 280 @ 65mph it doesn't even move an inch. It gets 20mpg city and 30mpg highway as per my calcumalations
 
budman said:
That was the one brought up right??
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Holeshot said:
Truth. CUT OFF FEET!



Yah, and comparing apples to apples, most have gone up about 30% in weight.
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Ok, reread chain of conversations and miss understood.

That being said, I think broader point still stands across various types of cars it didn't double. Pickups went up by 28% rest either down or more modestly. So I don't think weight alone accounts for mpg being meh.
 
UDRider said:
That being said, I think broader point still stands across various types of cars it didn't double. Pickups went up by 28% rest either down or more modestly. So I don't think weight alone accounts for mpg being meh.
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Cars/trucks in all segments now are insanely quick compared to 40, even 20 years ago too.
 
UDRider said:
What does that mean? Higher top speed, or more HP and quicker acceleration?
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Cars in general are just fast... maybe faster than they need to be to be honest.

Even just a normal looking base Camry has 200hp these days..

I've got 100rwhp on a good day, still spins the tires pretty good in the wet :teeth

100 is enough to haul me and my Dizzer in the bed at freeway speeds without issue.

Cars also handle better than they ever have before. I drove a friends '18 Civic and it felt like a race car compared to my truck.
 
Izzy_C said:
I understand that... I can't help but feel like there's cars that are fun to drive and get good MPG.. the new Toyota 86 gets 32mpg highway... I'd love to have one of those.

The difference in MPG between city and highway for my 93 Hilux 2WD is pretty drastic. Driving around SF I can literally watch the fuel gauge drop... going from SF to Woodside to go hiking and sitting in the slow lane on 280 @ 65mph it doesn't even move an inch. It gets 20mpg city and 30mpg highway as per my calcumalations
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Sure, that 86 looks totally fun. Lots of cars are fun if you like to drive them.

A long time ago, I had an '87 VW Jetta GLI Wolfsberg, that is still one of the most fun cars to drive I ever owned. The gearbox, the rev lines, the suspension, that car was just great. '03 Celica GTS was super fun to drive. Real low to the ground, it handled like a dream. When the hot new the Civic Si came out in '06, I bought one of the first ones in the Bay Area. Super fun short throws and a crazy high 8k redline. Took that one up to 130mph racing a Camaro on Hwy 5 once. Really a fun car. All of these got 25mpg+.

None of them are even in the same grin inducing ball park as my Challenger. Not even the same animal. I have had this car for like a year and I still smile every single time I start the motor. Ecosport cars are fun, but really fun cars just seem to cost mileage.
 
Eldritch said:
Sure, that 86 looks totally fun. Lots of cars are fun if you like to drive them.

A long time ago, I had an '87 VW Jetta GLI Wolfsberg, that is still one of the most fun cars to drive I ever owned. The gearbox, the rev lines, the suspension, that car was just great. '03 Celica GTS was super fun to drive. Real low to the ground, it handled like a dream. When the hot new the Civic Si came out in '06, I bought one of the first ones in the Bay Area. Super fun short throws and a crazy high 8k redline. Took that one up to 130mph racing a Camaro on Hwy 5 once. Really a fun car. All of these got 25mpg+.

None of them are even in the same grin inducing ball park as my Challenger. Not even the same animal. I have had this car for like a year and I still smile every single time I start the motor. Ecosport cars are fun, but really fun cars just seem to cost mileage.
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Yea, but your Challenger would be completely destroyed in terms of performance by a Model 3 performance. That is the direction we have to go anyway. But for some reason despite EVs being faster, easier to package, quieter, require less maintenance, and for the vast majority of people's use case far better, The move to actually adopt them is incredibly sluggish. I don't really understand the attachment people have to internal combustion.
 
ScarySpikes said:
Yea, but your Challenger would be completely destroyed in terms of performance by a Model 3 performance. That is the direction we have to go anyway. But for some reason despite EVs being faster, easier to package, quieter, require less maintenance, and for the vast majority of people's use case far better, The move to actually adopt them is incredibly sluggish. I don't really understand the attachment people have to internal combustion.
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I just don't think that is always true. I would like to see what the acceleration on a model 3 is after 80MPH.

I think that you are also missing with your quieter Model 3 that the aftermarket exhaust is part of WHY I smile when I start my car...

Those little personal tidbits aside, I think the move to EV is pretty inevitable for the most part, but the lack of infrastructure and poor availability of used vehicles is of course slowing the adoption of the tech.

There will always be a market for ICE at car shows, classic drag races, etc, clearly electric is the future, but it isn't accessible enough yet expect it to be everybody every day.
 
On normal roads, I'm not sure how often you get up above 80-100, but someone ran it to it's top speed from a standstill.
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Definitely slows down as all cars do, but still plenty fast.

Yea, the used market is definitely a problem. You can get EVs used for dirt cheap, but they are the city cars with only 100 MPH. great for a commuter car, probably not a great option of you only have 1 car.
 
I too have an ICEmobile that I enjoy as soon as I press the starter button. I was a bit of a motor head during the original muscle care era, beep-beep, so I’m sentimental towards ICE. When I first started riding I’d take a break and admire my machinery. I think having an understanding of all the machinations of an ICE appeals to me. I even have exhaust sound memories that the enhanced sound of my car appeases. I know little about EVs, never even ridden in one so no appeal. I have heard them drive by. Plus I own oil stocks. I would have an ebike before the car.
 
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