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What will it take to convince you of climate change?

I used to be crunch-granola tree-hugging bark-eating hippie and felt that any change we made to planet was eeeevil.

However, I've come to realize how insignificant us humans are on this planet. Worse we can do is destroy ourselves (and take couple million species with us). But that's it! We wipe ourselves out, which is probably not a bad thing, and planet continues on and recovers. Heck, dinosaurs were way more successful than us and lived for way, way longer than us and even they got wiped out. And planet went on with no problems. So, I don't give sh*t what we do to the planet any more.

But, still unsure about this climategate thing. Certainly some political agenda going on. Ways to make the ruling lizards more money probably.
 
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DannoXYZ said:
And planet went on with no problems. So, I don't give sh*t what we do to the planet any more.

But, still unsure about this climategate thing. Certainly some political agenda going on. Ways to make the ruling lizards more money probably.
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Yea man, fuck future generations. Let's live the life that we want right now, regardless what sort of cesspool degenerate life experience we are create for people further down the road. They can deal with that shit on their own time. Great attitude - keep up the good work. Let's spread this message around.

You've got yours, and I've got mine.
 
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DannoXYZ said:
I used to be crunch-granola tree-hugging bark-eating hippie and felt that any change we made to planet was eeeevil.

However, I've come to realize how insignificant us humans are on this planet. Worse we can do is destroy ourselves (and take couple million species with us). But that's it! We wipe ourselves out, which is probably not a bad thing, and planet continues on and recovers. Heck, dinosaurs were way more successful than us and lived for way, way longer than us and even they got wiped out. And planet went on with no problems. So, I don't give sh*t what we do to the planet any more.

But, still unsure about this climategate thing. Certainly some political agenda going on. Ways to make the ruling lizards more money probably.
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"Men go and come; but Earth abides."
 
Kestrel said:
Yea man, fuck future generations. Let's live the life that we want right now, regardless what sort of cesspool degenerate life experience we are create for people further down the road. They can deal with that shit on their own time. Great attitude - keep up the good work. Let's spread this message around.

You've got yours, and I've got mine.
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Well, we've dealt with nuclear-fallout/pollution, smog, PCBs, acid-rains, etc. that previous generations have given us. I'm sure future generations will have to deal with whatever we leave behind. It may very well turn out that power-lines and cell-towers do cause cancer and will have to be replaced. Heck, even all the weather-manipulations we've been doing to combat climate-change may turn out to be catastrophic causing massive global tsunamis and tidal-waves that they will have to deal with as well. We're doing darn good job of clearing out thousands of years of forests to develop mechanised farming. Maybe they'll replant in our wake. Maybe they'll embrace the farm. All of ocean's fish may be gone, perhaps they'll farm more fish. Or not eat fish at all, how many of us do now? Seems our descendants will most likely chose pathes for themselves other than what we want. How many of us follow in our ancestor's footsteps anyway?
 
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UDRider said:
Says the guy who posted some BS article about global cooling, without even bothering reading it.
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I remember the seventies, and is was not considered BS then...………………...:rolleyes

I read the article, but unlike some people on this forum, I'm able to not be obtuse in interpreting things.
 
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Climate is always changing. I heard that we have in general, been warming since the last Ice Age.

That being said, I don't think we should be polluting our environment.
I won't buy the book I mentioned, but the thesis is that humanity needs to be judicious about what we do environmentally and think about ALL consequences of our actions.

The Greens have been doing the knee jerk stuff as well as our politicians.:thumbdown
 
Last Little Ice Age just ended couple hundred years ago (1300-1800s). England had Frost Fair carnivals and bonfires on Thames river that froze over solid.

Things have been warming up ever since.
 
mrmarklin said:
I remember the seventies, and is was not considered BS then...………………...:rolleyes

I read the article, but unlike some people on this forum, I'm able to not be obtuse in interpreting things.
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Lol, nice revisionist history of that thread. :laughing
Just like acceptance of that theory during that time.
 
a thread full of mostly climate change deniers on a forum whose hobby or sport is predicated upon burning fossil fuels

who would have thought? :laughing
 
Gabe said:
Maybe now?
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Anyone on the west coast still not convinced of the ramifications of climate change after the horrendous and literally record breaking heat and fires is just too stupid. Too bad while in the old days they would keep their stupidity to themselves, social media has connected these idiots together so in their idiocy echo-chambers, they have become know-it-alls of nothing.
 
Climate change is real and human actions are contributing to fires on the west coast but as pointed out in another thread arson may have as much To blame as climate change. Still humans screwing up by one means or another.
 
If there wasn't for climate change PG&E, lightning, and arsonists wouldn't have anything to burn. Stop being a forest management denier.
 
ctwo said:
If there wasn't for climate change PG&E, lightning, and arsonists wouldn't have anything to burn. Stop being a forest management denier.
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I'm actually leaning towards poor management and unregulated development being more to blame than climate change. Lots of good stuff written about this topic. Still, when 1/2 of Oregon is on fire you know something isn't right, and people have something to do with it.

As far as overpopulation goes--something mentioned in this thread--it's for sure a big part of this, but is self-correcting. Either through war, disaster and famine or through somehow solving our problems and reducing global poverty, which is correlated with high population growth.
 
Blankpage said:
Climate change is real and human actions are contributing to fires on the west coast but as pointed out in another thread arson may have as much To blame as climate change. Still humans screwing up by one means or another.
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Used to be, getting things to burn in Oregon took some doing.

In the last 20 years the Oregon forests have dried out. The mosses are drier, the ferns are dry and brittle, and the forest is decomposing fallen trees more slowly as a result. This provides more fuel that is more willing to burn than in the past.

This is a result of the changing climate and the migration of the Southern California climate up the coastline.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/12/climate/oregon-wildfires.html

The forests between Eugene and Portland haven’t experienced fires this severe in decades, experts say. What’s different this time is that exceptionally dry conditions, combined with unusually strong and hot east winds, have caused wildfires to spiral out of control, threatening neighborhoods that didn’t seem vulnerable until now.

“We’re seeing fires in places that we don’t normally see fires,” said Crystal A. Kolden, a professor of fire science at the University of California, Merced. “Normally it’s far too wet to burn.”
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The funny thing about the battle between the people-do-all-the-things group and the I-refuse-to-feel-bad-for-anything-because-my-ego-can't-take-it group, is that-that part of the argument doesn't even matter. Who wouldn't want to live in a clean and healthy environment? Unfortunately, everything challenges our alpha ego and real men love filth and only prissy limp-wristed hipsters care about cleanliness and health. Reminds me of that Harley South Park where these guys have it backwards and don't know it. The machismo giveth and the machismo taketh away.
 
byke said:
The funny thing about the battle between the people-do-all-the-things group and the I-refuse-to-feel-bad-for-anything-because-my-ego-can't-take-it group, is that-that part of the argument doesn't even matter. Who wouldn't want to live in a clean and healthy environment? Unfortunately, everything challenges our alpha ego and real men love filth and only prissy limp-wristed hipsters care about cleanliness and health. Reminds me of that Harley South Park where these guys have it backwards and don't know it. The machismo giveth and the machismo taketh away.
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Toxic Masculinity at it again.

Every time I see a diesel pickup belch out black smoke I go "BUBUBBUBBUBbubububbub" in my head.

That said, I do like my loud bikes, but not because they make me look manly, because I like them. :D
 
There's a little bit of it in all of us, but our ability to survive long term relies heavily on not being who we are. What got us here, won't get us there.
 
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