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Dave Chappelle

TylerW said:
I just kept waiting for him to say something that was actually funny. He just talked endlesly about himself. I guess if you're already invested in the work and career of Dave Chappelle, you might find it funny, but if this was your introduction to him, there's just nothing there.

Some of my takeaways:

- I feel like the entire show was 72 minutes of whataboutisms
- Dave should review the history of Stonewall
- Using his friend's suicide as a prop for his comedy is absolutely shameful. That entire segment sounded like "some of my best friends are black"
- His entire take on cancelling is ridiculous. Actions have consequences. If you say something that upsets people, you need to assume that you're going to lose some of your audience. You may game some as well. That's just how it goes.
- I don't think the show was so offensive that Netflix should consider taking the show offline. I just think it's a lousy, disappointing show.
- I've never heard of DaBaby.
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Thanks for your response. I would not watch it again but if he ever returns to do yet another comedy special I would watch it. You are a doll btw. I really appreciate your presence on the board.
 
Melissa said:
Thanks for your response. I would not watch it again but if he ever returns to do yet another comedy special I would watch it. You are a doll btw. I really appreciate your presence on the board.
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Thank you! :)

Another thing I noticed after thinking about it more, a lot of Dave's jokes make fun of other people because of their identity, not because of their actions. we can talk all day about punching up, punching down, and never come to an agreement on it. But just saying "white people are funny" isn't much of a joke. But saying that white people do some really funny things, is a joke that just about everyone with a sense of humor can get behind.
 
TylerW said:
Thank you! :)

Another thing I noticed after thinking about it more, a lot of Dave's jokes make fun of other people because of their identity, not because of their actions. we can talk all day about punching up, punching down, and never come to an agreement on it. But just saying "white people are funny" isn't much of a joke. But saying that white people do some really funny things, is a joke that just about everyone with a sense of humor can get behind.
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Glad to see you aren't racist.


Chapelle is entirely correct in his statement that it's impossible to keep track of all the letters, as each new smaller and smaller identity group enters the pool of self designated victims.
 
afm199 said:
Glad to see you aren't racist.


Chapelle is entirely correct in his statement that it's impossible to keep track of all the letters, as each new smaller and smaller identity group enters the pool of self designated victims.
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He's not wrong, even as a member of the 'alphabet mafia' it can be hard to keep track of. I just thought his joke about it was lazy and uninspired.

If he's seriously considered the "GOAT" of comedy, comedy has some really serious troubles to contend with.
 
So, Netflix is having a walkout protest for this special, and how they have dealt with the fallout.

Their response to the walkout: Fire the person who planned it and blame them for a leak that the employee internally spoke out against.

Netflix has fired a leader of the trans employee resource group who was organizing the upcoming October 20th walkout. The employee, who is Black and currently pregnant, asked not to be named for fear of online harassment. They have been encouraging trans employees and allies to walk out of work in protest of Netflix’s handling of the Dave Chappelle special The Closer.

“All these white people are going around talking to the press and speaking publicly on Twitter and the only person who gets fired is the Black person who was quiet the entire time,” says a former employee in an interview with The Verge. “That’s absurd, and just further shows that Black trans people are the ones being targeted in this conversation.”

The employee was terminated on suspicion of leaking metrics to the press related to the Dave Chappelle special. Those metrics — about how much Netflix paid for The Closer and how many people it reached — subsequently ended up in a report on Bloomberg. While the employee had shared the metrics internally, they spoke out against the leaks to colleagues, worried they might hurt the walkout movement.
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Of course, no evidence provided that she was actually the leak, of course. We are up to 4 different employees who spoke out against the special either internally or externally that Netflix has retaliated against.
 
Hannah Gadsby had some choiuce quotes for Netflix's CEO after he namedropped her comedy specials to talk up how inclusive Netflix's programming offerings are.

“Hey Ted Sarandos! Just a quick note to let you know that I would prefer if you didn’t drag my name into your mess. Now I have to deal with even more of the hate and anger that Dave Chappelle’s fans like to unleash on me every time Dave gets 20 million dollars to process his emotionally stunted partial world view,” Gadsby wrote. “You didn’t pay me nearly enough to deal with the real world consequences of the hate speech dog whistling you refuse to acknowledge, Ted. Fuck you and your amoral algorithm cult … I do shits with more back bone than you. That’s just a joke! I definitely didn’t cross a line because you just told the world there isn’t one.”
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https://www.vulture.com/2021/10/hannah-gadsby-responds-to-netflixs-dave-chappelle-memo.html

Apparently Dave Chapelle's fans have taken to twitter to harass numerous LGBTQ+ personalities in the name of the comedy special.

Dave seems to want to have his cake and eat too, with regards to twitter. He claims that "its not a real place" when talking about how he's not affected by people dragging him there - but then he also suggests that being dragged on twitter may have contributed to the decline of Daphne Dorman's mental state in the days before she decided to end her life. So which one is it?

It does beg an interesting question as to who bears any responsibility, if any, for the psychological harm done by a social media platform. and the people who use it.
 
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ScarySpikes said:
So, Netflix is having a walkout protest for this special, and how they have dealt with the fallout.

Their response to the walkout: Fire the person who planned it and blame them for a leak that the employee internally spoke out against.



Of course, no evidence provided that she was actually the leak, of course. We are up to 4 different employees who spoke out against the special either internally or externally that Netflix has retaliated against.
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I suspect that Netflix is smart enough to not fire a black trans employee without twenty mountains of evidence.
 
TylerW said:
Hannah Gadsby had some choiuce quotes for Netflix's CEO after he namedropped her comedy specials to talk up how inclusive Netflix's programming offerings are.



https://www.vulture.com/2021/10/hannah-gadsby-responds-to-netflixs-dave-chappelle-memo.html

Apparently Dave Chapelle's fans have taken to twitter to harass numerous LGBTQ+ personalities in the name of the comedy special.

Dave seems to want to have his cake and eat too, with regards to twitter. He claims that "its not a real place" when talking about how he's affected by people dragging him there - but then he also suggests that being dragged on twitter may have contributed to the decline of Daphne Dorman's mental state in the days before she decided to end her life.

It does beg an interesting question as to who bears any responsibility, if any, for the psychological harm done by a social media platform. and the people who use it.
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Eh, I don't think that's accurate. For him, he doesn't give a fuck about twitter dogpiling on him. But for his friend, she didn't feel the same.

Not exactly having your cake and eating it too. I wouldn't care if I was being vilified on twitter but I know friends who take social media criticism to heart.
 
Kurosaki said:
Eh, I don't think that's accurate. For him, he doesn't give a fuck about twitter dogpiling on him. But for his friend, she didn't feel the same.

Not exactly having your cake and eating it too. I wouldn't care if I was being vilified on twitter but I know friends who take social media criticism to heart.
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But that's not what he said. He said "twitter is not a real place" when he talked about the affect that it has on him. That's not hard to interpret as a jab against those for whom it does have a profound impact.

Now if he said "I don't let twitter bother me, but I know it affects some folks" that's completely different. but that's not what he said.
 
That's fair. We're both trying to read the tea leaves on some weak-ass Darjeeling.

But the fact that he'd use his friends tragic death as the twenty minute setup for a traffic transphobic AND sexist punch line suggests to me that he doesn't think nearly as highly of her as he'd like his fans and critics to believe.
 
I don't believe that either, man. Different people deal with and speak about the deaths of friends and family close to them differently.

It was spun into a bit for his comedy, sure, but I didn't feel the friendship wasn't genuine.
 
afm199 said:
I suspect that Netflix is smart enough to not fire a black trans employee without twenty mountains of evidence.
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Why?

This is not even close to the first Silicon Valley company that has retaliated against whistleblowers, activists, etc. in their employ by firing them. Apple has been doing it to the employees that spread the #AppleToo hashtag, which talked about workplace issues and harassment. Amazon is well known for going after whistleblowers and people who are pro unionization. Google goes after whistleblowers, the list goes on and on.

If Netflix learned any lesson, it's that they absolutely can get away with firing people who are being inconvenient.
 
TylerW said:
If he's seriously considered the "GOAT" of comedy, comedy has some really serious troubles to contend with.
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He's definitely made a mark in comedy. The thing about all of this is some find comedians hilarious others find them offensive. Richard Pryor, George Carlin, and others were not well received by many in their prime. Many found it very offensive comedy. Times change, and comedians like Pryor are now revered as game changers and forward thinkers.
 
TylerW said:
That's fair. We're both trying to read the tea leaves on some weak-ass Darjeeling.

But the fact that he'd use his friends tragic death as the twenty minute setup for a traffic transphobic AND sexist punch line suggests to me that he doesn't think nearly as highly of her as he'd like his fans and critics to believe.
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So you’re saying he was running thin on material and this is all he had left to try and spin a punchline.
You know Dave that well you can say for certain he just didn’t give a shit about this person.

Just because he didn’t deal with a friends death the exact way you would have you figure he did something wrong.
 
Blankpage said:
So you’re saying he was running thin on material and this is all he had left to try and spin a punchline.
You know Dave that well you can say for certain he just didn’t give a shit about this person.

Just because he didn’t deal with a friends death the exact way you would have you figure he did something wrong.
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I don't know anything about Dave. All I know is what he said in his show. And in that show he talked up his relationship to Daphne Dorman, seemingly to show how patient and gracious he was to this one particular transgender woman who absolutely worshipped him. And when he was don't talking about her, he said that he intended to misgender her to her own daughter. Why? Because he didn't believe that a woman would be capable of killing herself the way that she did.

He literally turned her death into a sick, vile punchline.

Now if you think that's funny, or respectful, or a proper way of honoring her life, I'd love to hear your explanation.

And I know that, sure, Dave shirked criticism of that joke by assuring us "She would have loved that joke." I guess we'll just have to take him at his word. But wait, didn't someone say earlier you shouldn't take any comedian at their word?
 
TylerW said:
I don't know anything about Dave. All I know is what he said in his show. And in that show he talked up his relationship to Daphne Dorman, seemingly to show how patient and gracious he was to this one particular transgender woman who absolutely worshipped him. And when he was don't talking about her, he said that he intended to misgender her to her own daughter. Why? Because he didn't believe that a woman would be capable of killing herself the way that she did.

He literally turned her death into a sick, vile punchline.

Now if you think that's funny, or respectful, or a proper way of honoring her life, I'd love to hear your explanation.

And I know that, sure, Dave shirked criticism of that joke by assuring us "She would have loved that joke." I guess we'll just have to take him at his word. But wait, didn't someone say earlier you shouldn't take any comedian at their word?
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