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Hitting mirrors is NOT OK

I agreed with you, LS1. A hit is a hit, whether done by a cager or a rider.

Riders here bitch and complain about what cars do out there. But some times, it's the rider's who started it or at fault. Unfortunately some of us just can't seem to accept that. The blame will always go to the cager... they should look better, they should pick their lane better, leave space, etc.

Come on, guys. Be more responsible out there.
 
Sorry, it's probably because I am not used to how people are in cali....but umm......how the hell do you hit other peoples mirrors......on a motorcycle? That sounds pretty damn stupid close to be riding through or around or next to someone....but that's just me. I read just a line or two and thought this whole thing was going to be about someone not seeing a motorcyclist and the motorcycle dude or dudet intentionally taking off the cars mirror as a result of idiots not paying attention....but then I read more and seen that I was jumping to conclusions way too early =p

But still....I don't get it, how again are people not able to miss a large object such as a car or truck while riding a tiny vehicle?
 
I agreed with you, LS1. A hit is a hit, whether done by a cager or a rider.

Riders here bitch and complain about what cars do out there. But some times, it's the rider's who started it or at fault. Unfortunately some of us just can't seem to accept that. The blame will always go to the cager... they should look better, they should pick their lane better, leave space, etc.

Come on, guys. Be more responsible out there.

Great post! :thumbup

As for those that have the "that's what insurance for" mentality?!?! :wtf I am sure a good majority of us have a deductable, therefore, money comes out of pocket. Not to mention the risk of the rates going up, if one chooses to go that route :bs :x

I too would be pissed if my mirror(s) were damaged (or borken off) because of some careless rider :mad :mad
 
How you equate "tapping a couple of times" in several years and tens of thousands of miles of riding to "frequent damage" and demand that I quit piloting any vehicle is beyond me. I suspect you also demand the death penalty for shop lifters. Next time you leave the seat up on the toilet, I hope someone demands that you do your peeing outside from that point on. Heck, we should revoke your right to post until you learn how to use apostrophes... :laughing

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You admit tapping mirrors with your bike and bumpers with your car a couple of times each. It seems your lack of driving ability is not just limed to motorcycles. So shall we just lowball it and say 4 times. So in only "several years and tens of thousands of miles" you have managed to damage people's property by your own admission at least four times and somehow justify this by the location or the condition the other vehicle was in....pathetic.

This post was created for you. And no I don't believe in the death penalty for shoplifters but I am sure you would have a good excuse for that to. I just ask people to own up to their actions...simple. We should revoke your right to post until your learn responsibility for your actions, slightly more important than apostrophes :laughing
 
Sorry, it's probably because I am not used to how people are in cali....but umm......how the hell do you hit other peoples mirrors......on a motorcycle? That sounds pretty damn stupid close to be riding through or around or next to someone....but that's just me. I read just a line or two and thought this whole thing was going to be about someone not seeing a motorcyclist and the motorcycle dude or dudet intentionally taking off the cars mirror as a result of idiots not paying attention....but then I read more and seen that I was jumping to conclusions way too early =p

But still....I don't get it, how again are people not able to miss a large object such as a car or truck while riding a tiny vehicle?


Things get awful tight while lane sharing (legal here in California), especially when distracted drivers drift a little close to you while you're approaching. Sometimes, the clear line you've got planned perfectly can disappear, and you run the risk of smacking a mirror with one of yours. And sometimes, the cager drifts over on purpose. Frankly, with a driver who does that, I wouldn't mind if I DID hit his mirror.

Stupid close? Not really, not at low speeds, done with absolute focus, lots of skill, and a good deal of lanesharing experience.

Risky? Sure. But so is walking in a crosswalk:

Sad irony - Antioch teen motorcyclist killed by hit-run driver

Ilana DeBare, Chronicle Staff Writer

Monday, November 26, 2007


Russell Scott had been riding motorbikes with his son, J.R., since the boy was 5 years old. He had brought home a new Honda for J.R. to try out over the Thanksgiving weekend, to see if his son liked it better than his Kawasaki.

He will never get to find that out.

J.R. Scott, a 16-year-old sophomore at Antioch High School, died Sunday at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek from injuries received in a hit-and-run accident Friday morning.

J.R. was an avid Motocross rider and had won the California Motorcycle Club competition for his age and class in 2006. He loved other active outdoor pursuits that some parents might worry about as potentially dangerous, such as skateboarding and parasailing.

But J.R. was killed in a way that had nothing to do with those activities. He was in the intersection of James Donlon Boulevard and Gentrytown Drive in Antioch, not far from his home. He had his small foot-powered scooter and was with a friend who was on a bicycle.

J.R. was hit by a white four-door car that immediately fled the scene.

Antioch police said Sunday that they are seeking leads on the driver of the car, possibly a 2000 Toyota Avalon with front-end damage to one of the headlights and hood.

Meanwhile, more than a dozen of J.R.'s friends and relatives gathered at the hospital Sunday afternoon to say private goodbyes to him.

They painted a picture of a young man who - while excelling at a loud, risky sport - was dependable and thoughtful, and an astute observer of the people around him.

Neighbors left their house keys with him when they went on vacation without worrying that he would host parties at their houses.

"He would rather sit and talk than go out to party," said Jonathan Aguilar, J.R.'s friend who was nearby on a bike when he was hit.

"He was a very calculated rider, very smart," his father said. "He was precise. He was not necessarily impressed with very fast speed, but with being controlled and smooth."

J.R. - as Joseph Russell Scott was known since he was a baby - learned about motorcycles from his father, a former professional rider. As a young child, he used to make tracks out of dirt and twigs for tiny model bikes and cars.

But he also loved hanging out with his friends and going fishing.

In the wake of Friday's accident, J.R's family decided to donate his organs. A spokeswoman for the California Transplant Donor Network said the family's gift could save as many as eight lives.

"I thought about if the roles were reversed, and I needed something to save my daughter's life or J.R.'s life," Russell Scott said. "It would be selfish of me not to (donate the organs). I know J.R. would want that, even though we never talked about it."

Club Moto, a motorcycle track in Livermore, held a moment of silence in memory of J.R. on Saturday night.

"Whoever did this doesn't realize that they not only killed a little boy, they killed a lot of people," said Gwen Brooks, J.R.'s grandmother, putting her hands to her face to cover a sob as she sat in the hospital lobby. "Whoever did this has got to live with it. And at the end of the day, they can't live with it. It will eat that person up alive."
 
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We should revoke your right to post until your learn responsibility for your actions, slightly more important than apostrophes :laughing

Sacrilege!

Taking responsibility for your actions MEANS knowing how to use apostrophes correctly.:twofinger

And pay no attention to the sharp nibbly teeth of this hungry puppy, DucatiHoney. We know the truth.
 
Man...the 12 year old me had SUCH a hard-on for that car. :love Nice restoration.

I agree with the OP's take on blowing off mirror taps. I had my first one last week - was heading to Mt. Hamilton and the road is REALLY rippled at the stop light. Split up slowly and hit the uneven pavement near the stripes and BARELY made contact with a pickup truck's mirror. Immediately stopped, flipped up the visor and said "sorry about that" - guy seemed surprised I even commented on it...but better that than to pretend nothing happened.

I was irked at myself for it happening at all - if I'm splitting I'm taking on the responsibility for my bike and insuring it does not touch anything both for my bike (and my own) safety and out of respect for others.
 
Scratches and knicks to your car - its going to happen...
IF you bring your car out into the real world, its gonna get shat on
by birds and dinged by other car doors and what not.

and nobody really wakes up in the morning thinking... "Hey im gonna
bash someones mirror in today". But in the immortal words of Forest Gump,
"life was is like a box of assorted condoms... or something"... i dunno...
shit happens

I realize what you are addressing is that people should be more cautious
riders.. and i agree - but if you really think whining and moaning about
this kind of thing is going to protect your baby or what not, give me a break...

People who over-obsess about inconsequential blemishes to non-works of art
are ignorant as to how good of a life they have/can have.

Easy solution:
Insurance? Yes, Please.




hey.. nice car though.
 
Sacrilege!

Taking responsibility for your actions MEANS knowing how to use apostrophes correctly.:twofinger

Eh? Typical...when people get called on their convoluted logic the first thing is lame comments about spelling and grammar....laughable considering you don't know how to use a comma yet. Carry on.


And pay no attention to the sharp nibbly teeth of this hungry puppy, DucatiHoney. We know the truth.

Yes, her truth is in writing to see. I just hope her sense of gray matches up with all these other people whose property she damages.
 
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I think it's irresponsible and inconsiderate to bash into people's mirrors and drive away. It also happens to be illegal to perform a hit and run, so people should probably take that into consideration as well.
 
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Good thing we have a post on BARF to tell people the difference between right and wrong. :thumbup

What does the lane sharing law say about this? :twofinger
 
I agreed with you, LS1. A hit is a hit, whether done by a cager or a rider.

Riders here bitch and complain about what cars do out there. But some times, it's the rider's who started it or at fault. Unfortunately some of us just can't seem to accept that. The blame will always go to the cager... they should look better, they should pick their lane better, leave space, etc.

Come on, guys. Be more responsible out there.

+100

We motorcyclists are the FIRST get apoplectic if a car clips us or if our bike is knocked down and we simply need to own up to our mistakes. Not mention that clipping mirrors (and the like), once again, reinforces the image of motorcyclists as irresponsible hooligans. We need to remind ourselves that we are the ONLY STATE that allows lanesplitting and all we need is one state legislator to get a wild hair up his ass (maybe one who got his mirrors clipped) and our "right" to split could be taken away.

I have been commuting/lanesplitting for 24 years...in urban settings (LA and SF) as well as the freeway and have logged tens of thousands of miles commuting and have only clipped a mirror once. If it is happening to anyone on regular basis...they need to examine their riding strategy/ability. Splitting is NOT for everyone.
 
I completely agree as well.

I've paid for a mirror on a Prius when I knocked it into traffic. It was a total pain in the ass and it would have been a lot easier to just keep riding, but I manned up to it. It was a good lesson on lane splitting and I haven't dinged a mirror since.

Thumbs down for people who braille park as well.
 
Why don't people just fold their mirrors in when they split? I've smacked a few mirrors (with my mirror or shoulder) and pissed some people off but it was not intentional. When it happens I just hit the throttle and get outta there before they can do anything.
 
Why don't people just fold their mirrors in when they split? I've smacked a few mirrors (with my mirror or shoulder) and pissed some people off but it was not intentional. When it happens I just hit the throttle and get outta there before they can do anything.

Well, if you didn't MEAN to do it, how could i have actually caused any damage? :rolleyes
 
I've smacked a few mirrors (...) When it happens I just hit the throttle and get outta there before they can do anything.

... thus creating another motorist with a bad attitude towards motorcycles. Way to go. :thumbup

How about you just take it down a notch and stop hitting cars? I for one would like lane sharing to remain legal.
 
Why don't people just fold their mirrors in when they split? I've smacked a few mirrors (with my mirror or shoulder) and pissed some people off but it was not intentional. When it happens I just hit the throttle and get outta there before they can do anything.

Your destined to become a smear on the highway. We have this new fad called road rage.
 
A little off topic but enough to be posted...

... the only car I "hit" on my bike was a mercedes that swerved towards the middle of the lane (was riding the white bumpies w/ this right tires) as I was about to pass. Then started throwing his hands around looking back at me and honked.

I slowed to allow him to "gain his sense", and at that point I gave a nice blip in 1st gear to pass him. Well, at the last second he swerves over at me again... luckily there was no car at my immediate right. I looked over at him and gave him the "WTF" look as he continued to honk and yell. At that point "rage" got ahold of me, I reached out kicked his passenger door and rode off. (traffic was going 20 mph or so).

What I do it differently? Maybe... maybe i'd just move to the right lane split ("share") a few car lengths and move back over... but since i was freshly "nOOb" and didn't have my license plate yet I had a little fun with the situation.
 
I've hit exactly one mirror in all the years of riding. Since it was on the way to the front of a traffic light and traffic was stopped anyway, I stopped right there and chatted with the owner for a while to say I'm sorry. There was no damage.

On the whole dinging in the parking lot thing... man are you talking to the wrong person. I have NEVER dinged another person's car in a parking lot. NEVER. However, my cars seem to have dings all over them and it PISSES ME OFF. In the worst case, some asshat ripped the entire rear bumper off my 350Z as they were backing out of the spot next to me. And then drove off without leaving a note. Cowards. That cost me $1200 for THEIR mistake. Nope, you ding someone, you have enough balls to own up to your own mistake.
 
The last thing I would want to be responsible for is a fellow biker going down because I pissed off some guy in a cage. I think this is something we should consider next time we decide to piss off some idiot in a car. I know I flipped some guy the bird just yesterday for tring to share my lane twice in less that two blocks.


You're kidding right? The person who commits the aggressive act is responsible. The fact that you ticked the felon off two weeks ago is irrelevant.
 
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