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IS A MEDICAL POT CARD A FREE PASS?

FWIW:

a) the card is strictly optional according to the law; a letter from your doctor is sufficient
b) the law allows one to grow-and-possess, strictly for personal use, a lot more than I would have thought. I forget the cite, no doubt you can find it.

Of course, if you have PC to think it's dealing (large amount of money, weapons, circumstances, etc) or they're DUI, then that's going to be a problem.
 
I see people smoking pot in traffic all the time. It really pisses me off for some reason. Do they need to get high SO BAD, they can't wait until they get home? Fucking stupid stoners!

I used to know people that would smoke during their commute on their way home from work because they didn't want anyone at home to know. See what happens when everyone lives in a stressed out, hyper world with a constant clock?
 
I see people smoking pot in traffic all the time. It really pisses me off for some reason. Do they need to get high SO BAD, they can't wait until they get home? Fucking stupid stoners!

Yeah you know what? I see you NOT smoking pot all the time, and it really, really gets to me. But, then I tell myself, it's not MY BUSINESS what you do or don't do with your body.

I get high wherever, and whenever I want. Especially in the car. Unless the MAN is looking. Don't want to get caught with my hand in the cookie jar.

But then I'm different. I'm not going to blame the weed if I get in an accident. Especially since I drive better (meaning safer, not faster) when I'm high.

But then, I'm responsible enough to know that. And I'm not trying to party, just to have a livable life.

This is my big issue with the medical pot deal...I may be "self medicating" in reality, but I'd rather believe I'm just enjoying my life. I've met ONE person who actually uses their medical pot for a disease (lyme) everyone else is just using it to get high "legally" Which I think is bogus. I'm all for legal weed, but I think it's wrong to mix up someone else's physical, medical need for medicine, and just wanting to be high. I'll take my lumps, and pass on the fake card.
 
Especially since I drive better (meaning safer, not faster) when I'm high..

:rolleyes

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I see people smoking pot in traffic all the time. It really pisses me off for some reason. Do they need to get high SO BAD, they can't wait until they get home? Fucking stupid stoners!

I drove through East Oakland to get a part from Suzuki the afternoon of April 20th at about a quarter to five in the afternoon. HUGE MISTAKE.
 
im sure it was mentioned, but it depends on the county, officer, etc

being from Humboldt- yes it is a get out of jail free card. too many times ive heard people being pulled over, cop smells pot, they whip out the card, officer says "have a nice day..." :cool
 
I see people smoking pot in traffic all the time. It really pisses me off for some reason. Do they need to get high SO BAD, they can't wait until they get home? Fucking stupid stoners!

i smoke before the drive, during the drive, and after the drive :twofinger

sorry, where are my mannors?! i'll ask you if you want any next time :rofl
 
Yeah you know what? I see you NOT smoking pot all the time, and it really, really gets to me. But, then I tell myself, it's not MY BUSINESS what you do or don't do with your body.

I get high wherever, and whenever I want. Especially in the car. Unless the MAN is looking. Don't want to get caught with my hand in the cookie jar.

But then I'm different. I'm not going to blame the weed if I get in an accident. Especially since I drive better (meaning safer, not faster) when I'm high.

But then, I'm responsible enough to know that. And I'm not trying to party, just to have a livable life.

This is my big issue with the medical pot deal...I may be "self medicating" in reality, but I'd rather believe I'm just enjoying my life. I've met ONE person who actually uses their medical pot for a disease (lyme) everyone else is just using it to get high "legally" Which I think is bogus. I'm all for legal weed, but I think it's wrong to mix up someone else's physical, medical need for medicine, and just wanting to be high. I'll take my lumps, and pass on the fake card.

Obviously your brain is functioning well. :rolleyes I'm sure you believe you drive better, but mountains of science says you don't. I don't care if you want to smoke yourself stupid stupider, just don't do it where you endanger others.
 
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Obviously your brain is functioning well. :rolleyes I'm sure you believe you drive better, but mountains of science says you don't. I don't care if you want to smoke yourself stupid stupider, just don't do it where you endanger others.

OK, I'll admit it doesn't look good on the surface...oh wait, what mountains of science? All the RECENT UNBIASED data shows that moderate use does seem to promote safer driving in most people. Higher dosages cause enough distraction and lack of reflexes that driving is impaired.

I'm not the average driver. Driving is my passion, and I am very attuned to my performance, and my mental state/attitude when driving. I know that I am more aggressive when sober, more impatient, but also more precise. I find it far easier to drive fast with safety as a #1 priority when high. If you can't understand driving fast AND safe, please tell me you don't ever ride over the speed limit.

It's also clear from watching other drivers that most people are unskilled enough that anything that encourages a little extra safety in their driving is likely a good thing.

I don't think it means everyone should drive high. But I do think that most people that do, are not actually any more unsafe for it. Some I'm sure are.

I know that when I try to drive while talking on the cellphone it kills my safety more than anything except being too tired.

In fact, every other drug I've done has been far worse for my motor skills. But I can even skateboard in a pool stoned.

But hey, I'm a safety at speed on the highway nazi, I guess you can be a stoned driving nazi. :rofl

I know I sound ridiculous to a lot of you. But put your money where your mouth is. Let's race. Same car, *any* car, and I don't even need to know what it is, blindfold me until I'm in it. Set one of the tires 2 PSI down from the others, I'll tell you which one it is in 3 corners, provided the shocks are evenly worn.

You spoke about endangering others...how many bad accidents have you averted because you were able to deal with another driver's potentially fatal mistake. Because you learned to drive well. Because it bothered you that everyone drives at 65 but can't deal with a spinout on the road. I'll die on the highway some day in my car because some fool will take me out, not because I'm in the back seat looking for my roach as I drive off a cliff.

:twofinger

If it's so bad for my driving, why do I get through all the sobriety checkpoints? How come every cop that accuses me of having been smoking gives me back my stuff and sends me on my way with a warning, after I tell him honestly if I have been recently or not. (in the presence of trainees they by-the-book it, I had one cop remind another to throw my stash away because of the trainee on the scene :laughing)

Man that's a lot of typing. And I've been posting more in the last 2 weeks than in the last 18 years. I promise to stop for a while.

:p
 
I've met ONE person who actually uses their medical pot for a disease (lyme) everyone else is just using it to get high "legally" Which I think is bogus. I'm all for legal weed, but I think it's wrong to mix up someone else's physical, medical need for medicine, and just wanting to be high.

FWIW, I'm one of those very few people. I have a neurological condition (formally a tic; most people would call it 'seizure') that causes me to have occasional, extremely painful, muscle spasms. They can last anywhere from 10 minutes to 10 hours, make me unable to use instruments (pen, cup, etc), cut off my breathing (if both sides of my neck clench simultaneously) for up to a minute or two, etc. Let's just say it's Not Fun (tm).

It is drastically alleviated by pot... much more quickly, safely, with fewer side effects, and effectively than the next best prescription meds, of which I've had everything short of the stuff with side effects more severe than my condition (basically everything that ends with -epam or -olam, e.g. clonazepam, lorazepam, alprazolam, etc). And pot wears off faster, which means I'm good to drive within 2-3 hours instead of 6-8 (at the dosages I need).

And I actually dislike the stuff recreationally. It drastically interferes with my multitasking ability. Mildly pleasant to compensate, yes, but I'd rather have some chocolate or a peach and get the same level of pleasure without the drawbacks.

But I agree, I'm not by any means a normal case. My roommates - 20-something potheads with "arthritis" and club cards - are rather more typical. But I am, I think, the *intended* case.

(FWIW in case you're wondering whether I'm safe to drive, the answer is yes. I have a few minutes' warning before it happens and can stave it off temporarily by force of will on top of that, so it's never happened while driving. I just can't drive when it's already happening (happens a couple times a month), and if I feel it coming on I have to pull over and find a place to park for a little while (happened twice in the last decade).)

I'll take my lumps, and pass on the fake card.

The card is just a voluntary, optional registration. The requirement is the doctor's note.

ETA: Also, IMO, the card is a bad idea. It's convenient, yes, and by law it's supposed to be fully confidential, but it seems just begging to get searched, indexed, subpoenaed by the feds, or the like. So I'd rather just have a note and a copy of the law.

Fortunately for me, "muscle spasms" is one of the specifically enumerated items for which the legislature, in its wisdom, found pot to be useful - so I don't even need a doctor to say that pot is useful for me [I can just cite the legislative finding], just that I have a condition that causes muscle spasms. And if I'm smoking at all, it's 'cause I'm having muscle spasms right then... which are pretty obvious to anyone who looks.

This isn't necessarily so for others though, e.g. if you get in under the "other things deemed medically useful" clause and/or have a non-visually-obvious condition.


ETA2: Zomg, my little rep tag is green now. Yatta~!
 
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ETA: Also, IMO, the card is a bad idea. It's convenient, yes, and by law it's supposed to be fully confidential, but it seems just begging to get searched, indexed, subpoenaed by the feds, or the like. So I'd rather just have a note and a copy of the law.

Very, very true.... it happens.
 
sikdmax - Got any references? I've not heard of it happening IRL, it just seems like a danger to me. (Can the feds subpoena something the state promises by law to keep private, anyway?)

Quoting the relevant laws to back up what I said:

SB420:
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(h) "Serious medical condition" means all of the following medical conditions:
(9) Persistent muscle spasms, including, but not limited to, spasms associated with multiple sclerosis.

I got written in, no need to prove that it's effective or necessary for my condition ;)

11362.71 (f) It shall not be necessary for a person to obtain an identification card in order to claim the protections of Section 11362.5.

It is OPTIONAL

11362.765. (a) Subject to the requirements of this article, the individuals specified in subdivision (b) shall not be subject, on that sole basis, to criminal liability under Section 11357, 11358, 11359, 11360, 11366, 11366.5, or 11570.

If you're registered, than you're OK for: possession; cultivation; possession w/ intent to sell; transport/give away; location for selling; storage; storage again

11362.5 (d) Section 11357, relating to the possession of marijuana, and Section 11358, relating to the cultivation of marijuana, shall not apply to a patient, or to a patient's primary caregiver, who possesses or cultivates marijuana for the personal medical purposes of the patient upon the written or oral recommendation or approval of a physician.

... if you're doing it just under the proposition - i.e. no card - then you only need the ORAL recommendation of A physician. Doesn't say it has to be YOUR physician even. However, then it's only good for possession & cultivation.

11362.77. (a) A qualified patient or primary caregiver may possess no more than eight ounces of dried marijuana per qualified patient. In addition, a qualified patient or primary caregiver may also maintain no more than six mature or 12 immature marijuana plants per qualified patient.
(b) If a qualified patient or primary caregiver has a doctor's recommendation that this quantity does not meet the qualified patient' s medical needs, the qualified patient or primary caregiver may possess an amount of marijuana consistent with the patient's needs.

OK for up to 8oz / 6 full plants by default. Unless your doctor says otherwise, in which case however much they say you need, is OK.

8oz is a LOT. I would bet the cops here have busted people as 'possession with intent to distribute' just based on having more than 2oz. But the law says it's cool. :smoking :cool


11362.79. Nothing in this article shall authorize a qualified patient or person with an identification card to engage in the smoking of medical marijuana under any of the following circumstances:
(a) In any place where smoking is prohibited by law.
(b) In or within 1,000 feet of the grounds of a school, recreation center, or youth center, unless the medical use occurs within a residence.
(c) On a schoolbus.
(d) While in a motor vehicle that is being operated.
(e) While operating a boat.

No smoking while driving.

11362.81. (a) A person specified in subdivision (b) shall be subject to the following penalties:
(1) For the first offense, imprisonment in the county jail for no more than six months or a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or both.
(2) For a second or subsequent offense, imprisonment in the county jail for no more than one year, or a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or both.
(b) Subdivision (a) applies to any of the following:
(4) A person who breaches the confidentiality requirements of this article to information provided to, or contained in the records of, the department or of a county health department or the county's designee pertaining to an identification card program.

Giving info to the feds is a misdmeanor
 
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11362.5(d) seems to be a HUGE loophole.

Oral recommendation of a physician?

There are plenty of physicians on record as having told the public at large that they recommend marijuana for basically anything. Ergo, every single person on Earth has had their oral recommendation. This law doesn't say that one has to have a *specific* recommendation or that that person has to be *your* doctor. (The card law does.)

So it seems to me that, essentially, everyone is covered automatically.
 
There is no way any oral recommendation is allowed, sorry Im too um, lazy to look up the code right now lol.

You need a "recommendation" which is issued by your doctor and has to have their drs info, a phone number for verification on it, etc. Also to note, the original is always necessary, not a photocopy.

Sai.... I guess I would be a example lol. Was called to a meeting with the DEA concerning my rec.... PM me for more info if you want.
 
If you smoked less, or not at all, you might be able to spell manners.

oh noez! call the police! i misspelled a word on an internet forum! :rolleyes

thanks, but im goin to sacrafice misspelling words on the internet for smoking in order to keep me sane from all the looniness out there....
 
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oh noez! call the police! i misspelled a word on an internet forum! :rolleyes

thanks, but im goin to sacrafice misspelling words on the internet for smoking in order to keep me sane from all the looniness out there....

If mediocrity is a level you aspire to, I guess you're tracking well.

By the way:

im = I'm
goin = going
sacrafice = sacrifice
looniness = Not a word
 
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