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interactive map of all prop 8 donators

I like the paranoia that this is causing...I guess some people want to be safe and happy with their secret bigotry. Guess they should have thought about that before knowingly putting their politics out in to the public eye.
 
vaara said:
If one of your fundamental rights had been eliminated by popular vote fed by lies and bigotry, you'd be angry too. I hope.
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How can the world be so backwards? Shit, I'm almost at the point of claiming I'm gay so I CAN'T get married...whenever the chicks start talking about "when are we gonna make a commitment" I think of how lucky the gays are. Vaara, if you come up with a prop9 that bans marriage on straight people, I'll donate to that by far!!! Maybe we could put a rider in there about GF's not being able to move in, too.

BTW, the reason prop8 passed is because the black vote turnout was so high and the black community is largely, against gay marriage.
 
Holeshot said:
BTW, the reason prop8 passed is because the black vote turnout was so high and the black community is largely, against gay marriage.
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Yeah..but it's not like the gay community is going to go to Oakland and complain about it. Soft targets are much easier to go after :laughing
 
n10sive said:
They (not inferring Vaara) have already committed acts of terrorism by vandalizing peoples property and Churches. This is just another step in a negative direction IMO.
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Vandalism and terrorism are not the same thing. Neither of them are right, but they are not the same thing.

It's not right to vandalize anyone's home or church, but it's not right to discriminate against people based on sexual preference either. It's not right for Malcom X to advocate violence, but it wasn't right for black people to get lynched, have crosses burned on their lawns, or have to sit in the back of the bus. It isn't right to riot, but I understand why the White Night Riot happened in San Francisco.

How long do you think the majority can tyrannize the minority before the minority feels it has no avenues left but to strike back? And let's call this what it is, this whole Prop. 8 thing was nothing more than a tyranny of the majority, and one that I hope will be found unconstitutional in due time.

Even with that said, taking away someone's fundamental constitutional right is much, MUCH worse than destroying someone's car or spray painting a building. The two aren't even comparable.

All that aside, it is right, and fair, and valid, to publish public records. Let's pull our heads out of our asses. Put any kind of message of violence on the map and we'd all be against it. The map is nothing more than information that is already publicly available.

If the map is a problem, blame the government for making the information public, not the people who made the map.

BLU_G.6K said:
To be fair maybe we should have an interactive map of all the people that are HIV+ so that those that are not positive can avoid them and discrimate against them . :rolleyes
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Yes, because having HIV is political information mandated by law to be made public. It's the exact same thing as the situation here. In fact, what's happening now is worse. It's way worse for someone to tell another person something about you that is public and has been published in the newspaper than it is to discriminate against someone for being HIV positive. Having HIV shouldn't be protected as something that is private the way a public political donation should be.
 
A lot of you are missing the point entirely. Can somebody post up the Hamas list of Jews?
 
Holeshot said:
How can the world be so backwards? Shit, I'm almost at the point of claiming I'm gay so I CAN'T get married...whenever the chicks start talking about "when are we gonna make a commitment" I think of how lucky the gays are. Vaara, if you come up with a prop9 that bans marriage on straight people, I'll donate to that by far!!! Maybe we could put a rider in there about GF's not being able to move in, too.

BTW, the reason prop8 passed is because the black vote turnout was so high and the black community is largely, against gay marriage.
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Regardless of how you feel about marriage, don't you want to be able to make that decision for yourself, and not have your neighbor or the government make the decision for you? Seriously, honest question. What if the government passed a law requiring marriage?

Isn't it fundamentally your decision to make, and your right to make that decision, whether to get married or not?

A lot of people in this thread don't want the government to tell them what guns they can or can't own. I can't imagine that they want the government telling them who they can or can't marry.

Cue posts about legalizing incest and sex with farm animals...
 
You can't force people to change their minds about what marriage (or anything else) is. They'll make up their own minds. Unless you send them to re-education kamps, which stuff like this map is a first goose-step towards. But meanwhile, perhaps such threatening tactics will convince people that the gay marriage people really WERE right after all, how could we not have seen?

East Germans back in the day have no idea how good they had it. With the Internets, this political modus operandi has exponentially more power for insidiousness.
 
zombi said:
You can't force people to change their minds about what marriage (or anything else) is. They'll make up their own minds. Unless you send them to re-education kamps, which stuff like this map is a first goose-step towards. But meanwhile, perhaps such threatening tactics will convince people that the gay marriage people really WERE right after all, how could we not have seen?

East Germans back in the day have no idea how good they had it. With the Internets, this political modus operandi has exponentially more power for insidiousness.
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And there we have it, the thread's first deluded allusion to Nazis. Because that's what the gays, the blacks, the women who wanted to vote, are. They're Nazis. Fuck 'em. Why can't those trouble makers just STFU and let the hetero white man live in peace.
 
already public information begin presented even more publicly, as in this case, could affect the way people vote in the future on this issue as well as others.

voting is a very private event. if you don't want anyone to know how you vote, you can take measures to ensure that. but as vaara stated, making a donation = voting. donating money to a campaign or initiative is a form of ensuring it has more success than it would without that monetary support.

the age in which we live is constantly changing the way we interpret information. if information like this is, and always has been publicly available, i see no issue with attaching it to a map. yes, violence and ill intent towards these people could surely ensue, but im not convinced that's the reason for the map.

its scary, but at the same time a new paradigm in voter responsibility. if you voted for and donated to prop 8, and are one of the people telling all the anit-8 people to deal with it and get over it, then you should also be prepared to lose the business of gay marriage supports as a result of this public info. note: you shouldnt have to be prepared for violence.

i think if people knew their names, general locations, professions and donation amounts were on interactive google maps, they would think twice about donating to a highly divided campaign. maybe it would change things when/if this comes to ballot again, or any other issues for that matter.

just as an aside, the largest sf donation i could find was $600. i clicked about 10 in the city where i used to live in orange county, and they were all $1000 or greater. highest i saw was $10,000. wow!
 
zombi said:
A lot of you are missing the point entirely. Can somebody post up the Hamas list of Jews?
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zombi said:
You can't force people to change their minds about what marriage (or anything else) is. They'll make up their own minds. Unless you send them to re-education kamps, which stuff like this map is a first goose-step towards. But meanwhile, perhaps such threatening tactics will convince people that the gay marriage people really WERE right after all, how could we not have seen?
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So the point of your thread was to just invoke Godwin's Law on itself? :laughing
 
What bugs me is all the people in Utah who contributed. Mind your own Fn-B jerks :rant
 
The no on 8 folks keep undermining their own cause. Intimidation isn't going to accomplish anything other than turning off moderates who's support will be needed if this is ever taken to a vote again. Penny wise, pound foolish.
 
thanx for the comparison of Yes on 8 voters to HIV+ folks, which implies that both are diseased.

At last we're on the same page. :thumbup
 
I find the concept that you can publish the addresses of people who donate to any cause troubling as all hell.
 
cardinal03 said:
And there we have it, the thread's first deluded allusion to Nazis. Because that's what the gays, the blacks, the women who wanted to vote, are. They're Nazis. Fuck 'em. Why can't those trouble makers just STFU and let the hetero white man live in peace.
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Tell me Cardinal, what other motive would the Prop 8 opponents have other than intimidation and retaliation? They are trying to scare people into not supporting LEGAL propositions that Prop 8 opponents are against. Sure the names are public record, but shouldn't the people broadcasting the personal information of donors be liable if hate crimes are committed against them? Oh wait, you would not call it a hate crime now would you because you sympathize with the gay agenda and can justify acts of violence and vandalism as long as it is against a group you despise.
 
Papi-C said:
I find the concept that you can publish the addresses of people who donate to any cause troubling as all hell.
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The intent of the law was never to allow people to use the information to incite violence and vandalism against donors, but that is exactly what is being done. Why do you think you can't go get someone's name and address from their license plate any more? It used to be public record too, but after that public information was used by stalkers to rape and murder people, the law changed. I don't see this issue as being much different.
 
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