High-Side
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You can tell them you are going into the souvenir shop.
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CHP showing up to trackdays and checking bikes for theft
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Do they have to sign a release of liability before entering the house??....OK...still the same thing really. All I'm saying is you can just walk onto private property too. We are getting off on a symantic tangent that does not really address the original question...so I'll get back on track....no pun intended.
I am OK with CHP checking my vin#'s......but I also understand why some might feel violated.
a good question though stan!
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^^^ I agree.
russ69
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No probable cause, no lookie. Race bikes don't need no stinkin VIN numbers. I think you just need a transportation permit in California (if on a public road). If you are not operating on a public roadway, you don't need squat (correct me if I'm wrong). When I bought a RS125 from Honda all I got was a bill of sale.
I'm not so free to give up my rights, I'd ask what is the probable cause first then I'd ask them if I was being detained, then I'd roll my bike away, right past them. What would they arrest me for? Not consenting to an illegal search?
I'm not so free to give up my rights, I'd ask what is the probable cause first then I'd ask them if I was being detained, then I'd roll my bike away, right past them. What would they arrest me for? Not consenting to an illegal search?
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gingerkid
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I know I'm coming in a little late on this thread but personally I would tell the cop to pound sand if he wanted to inspect anything in my pits at a track day. There are too many cops out there that are just out to make peoples lives miserable. I know saying that is going to make a whole bunch of people upset and thats fine. If you want to support law enforcement in its current form thats fine but I'll never support anyone with a badge. There are too many Jarhead dropouts that absouletly love ruining someones day for driving 3mph over the speed limit.
You want to check something of mine you better have handcuffs or a warrant.
You want to check something of mine you better have handcuffs or a warrant.
Johndicezx9
Rolls with it...
In reality, a VIN is as public as a license plate, whether a bike, a car, a truck. It can be checked whether we like it or not.
gingerkid
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I can understand that if I'm out on a public street with a bike that is registered for street use. But coming into a private event and looking for VIN's without any cause other than "were checking" is BS.
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It's usually NOT a private event.
Gixxergirl1000
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I'm kind of one the same page as you with this. I hate thieves... my mountain bike was stolen, and my $1200 Western Saddle... so thieves should be drawn and quartered in my book.
Having said that, I've seen enough of our personal freedoms eroded away, and cannot support what is essentially search without probable cause.
I don't see anything in there allowing them to search my track bike at a track day or a race.
I would not allow it- and I have the pink slip to my race bike.
wrexallen
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Part of me applauds this, part of me see's it as a violation of rights (probable cause, etc.). They can't use the excuse of the vehicle being on public roads gives them the right, either.
wrexallen
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So then you have no problem with them walking into your house without cause or warrant, whenever they feel like it, just to look around. Right?
nweaver
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You know, this is one of those "there SHOULD be an app for that" kinda things:
Whip out your iphone, photograph the VIN, have it OCR the vin and check it against the hotlist.
Whip out your iphone, photograph the VIN, have it OCR the vin and check it against the hotlist.
wrexallen
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As long as I don't get tagged for my pipe I don't really care... I think It could be a good thing.
Yakoo752
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If it is in plain sight I think they can just look at it... cover it up with tape if you are concerned...
Cant do this with a license plate because it's required to be in public display (not so sure on the vin though)
Might get a few extra questions but it removes it from plain sight They would then need compelling evidence that it was stolen to move forward imho
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I know it's a long read, but scroll back a few pages. A track open to the public is not your domicile where you have an expectation of privacy. You have a bike in public that has an altered VIN (removed, obscured etc) expect a problem.
I have tweaker neighbors that I know have/had a nice ZX6R on the side of their house (behind a fence) that has no plates. I saw them unload it from a truck and no one at the house appears to ride bikes. For all I know- it's gone now (loaded back up in the middle of the night). I have spoken w/ CHP Officers and there is not much they can do, however if they take the bike out to a public place- it's on them. :|
CHP and LEOs who are assigned to investigate vehicle thefts have the right to inspect VINs for alterations in/on private property under certain circumstances. Laguna is (controlled) public property, Sears could be defined as open to the public/off-street parking facility. Let's say the Kenny Roberts Ranch has a road course and I owned/controlled the property and invited a few friends for a track day. CHP would not have the right to enter if denied w/o a warrant or probable cause.
LongGoneJohn
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Look... a parking lot is private property but it's open to the public. So is your driveway. In either case, they *are* considered PUBLIC for the purpose of conducting law enforcement.
A cop can walk onto your driveway and look at your VIN #, or read your license plate... there is NO difference at Laguna Seca -- that is publicly owned land, regardless of who it's rented to at the time. If it's perceived as open to the public, in other words, if a UPS driver could deliver a package there without some kind of pass, it's legal.
Now as I said before... I don't like it, not one bit. I think it's bad business and it's bad for community relations. What we can do as riders is when you see obviously shady-fucking people on their obviously-stolen bikes, call the damn cops and have them come out. That's on us though.... and if we, as riders, don't take that kind of action and stolen bikes keep showing up at trackdays -- well then -- cops are going to keep showing up too.
In short, we either take the responsibility upon ourselves, or we let the cops do it for us. I hope for the former....
A cop can walk onto your driveway and look at your VIN #, or read your license plate... there is NO difference at Laguna Seca -- that is publicly owned land, regardless of who it's rented to at the time. If it's perceived as open to the public, in other words, if a UPS driver could deliver a package there without some kind of pass, it's legal.
Now as I said before... I don't like it, not one bit. I think it's bad business and it's bad for community relations. What we can do as riders is when you see obviously shady-fucking people on their obviously-stolen bikes, call the damn cops and have them come out. That's on us though.... and if we, as riders, don't take that kind of action and stolen bikes keep showing up at trackdays -- well then -- cops are going to keep showing up too.
In short, we either take the responsibility upon ourselves, or we let the cops do it for us. I hope for the former....
This might have been posted already but check out 2805VC. If someone could post it that would be cool too, I'm on my iPhone and it's too much of a PITA to copy/paste.
It basically gives CHP oficers and vehicle theft investigators from other departments the authority to inspect vehicles or components to see if they are stolen, as long as they are in specified locations like highways, public parking lots, etc.
wrexallen
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Yet at the same time, they can't pull you over and search your car without cause or warrant. Same difference.
I seriously doubt they can walk onto (or into - say a garage) private property, again without cause or warrant. Maybe it's a Kalifornia thing and I'm wrong here.
Now that's where I think it's a bit of a Gray area. Even though it's a public area. As I said: I'm conflicted in my feelings, on the subject. Even though I'm legit, I'd challenge such a search, to ensure my rights aren't being compromised.