Did Noah Take Dinosaurs on the Ark?

[staRang]

So if someone says "Some guys tried to beat me up last night but I ran away before they could." and people start ripping on him then that's the same as being racist? I mean fight or flight is instinct. It's born into us.

I'm not comparing Religion vs Race per say, I'm comparing two topics that can be, and have been, controversial.

 

[Cycle61]

 

[JackTheTripper]

I'm not comparing Religion vs Race per say, I'm comparing two topics that can be, and have been, controversial.

Uh, I think you did. But any topic can be controversial, wouldn't you agree?

In fact, I'm a little offended you implied I was born with a belief in a higher power. Are you implying I "lost my way?" It's a controversy!

 

[pt33]

Suppose some alien spaceship zapped the earth with some mind control ebam and religion ceased to exist. What issues do you think would suddenly be solved...that wouldn't be quickly replaced by some other social construct?

Our textbooks will be much clearer, gays would have equal rights, the whole Islam world and Christian world standing toe to toe with each other would be reduced significantly since there would be much higher tolerance to different lifestyles, women wouldn't have to worry about keeping control over their bodies, little boys asses wouldn't get pounded by priests, hypocrisy would be outta style, and nobody knocking on my door telling me to go find 'someone', those are just off the top of my head. Those are the issues that would suddenly be solved

Now, I can only begin to imagine what would change in the long term, with all the better science and resources being diverted to actually beneficial things, the sky is the limit.

 

[rydmohr]

I don't believe the debate is moronic. Let's look at the dark ages where science basically came to a halt do to religion ruling most of the advanced societies. Imagine how much further off as a race we would be if that didn't' occur. So, yeah, there is a sense of bitterness there, I agree that some atheist out there carry that. BUT, there is also a lesson to be learned, we must not hinder ourselves as a race by continuing to let these fairy-tales influence our decisions and policies, it will only hinder us even further. That is why it is important to continue the fight against mis-information and bad influences.

Look, I don't think people are bad people just because they have religious beliefs, but I cannot say that religion as a whole is good for our race. It is only going to hold us back as we try and move forward.

There is some compelling scientific evidence that the Dark Ages were caused by Climate Change not Religion!

 

[V4]

Uh, I think you did. But any topic can be controversial, wouldn't you agree?

In fact, I'm a little offended you implied I was born with a belief in a higher power. Are you implying I "lost my way?" It's a controversy!

you don't worship me like you used to...

 

[JackTheTripper]

you don't worship me like you used to...

I didn't know I was lost until I found you bee-poor.

 

[MC BumSlap]

There is some compelling scientific evidence that the Dark Ages were caused by Climate Change not Religion!

Look up "Catastrophic Plate Tectonics"

 

[MC BumSlap]

I didn't know I was lost until I found you bee-poor.

I smite you!

 

[Lovedoc]

The Bible, the Koran, the Buddhacarita, are all beautiful stories with great human wisdom. As allegorical works they are treasures. Much woe results from results from regarding them as history books.

 

[2+2=5]

The fact is that dinosaurs were created no more than one day before mankind,
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml

As you add up all of the dates, and accepting that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, came to Earth almost 2000 years ago, we come to the conclusion that the creation of the Earth and animals (including the dinosaurs) occurred only thousands of years ago (perhaps only 6000!), not millions of years. Thus, if the Bible is right (and it is!), dinosaurs must have lived within the past thousands of years.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/1999/11/05/dinosaurs-and-the-bible

Logical Considerations
If one accepts the plain testimony of the Bible, with no compulsion to harmonize Scripture with evolutionary assertions, there is no doubt but that dinosaurs and humans were contemporary, as the following considerations indicate.
All of the basic “kinds” of living creatures were brought into existence in the same initial creation week. Moses wrote: “In six days Jehovah made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is” (Exodus 20:11). This would include the dinosaurs (“terrible lizards”), and man as well.
Jesus affirmed that mankind has existed “from the beginning of the creation” (Mark 10:6); this certainly excludes the notion that dinosaurs became extinct millions of years before man appeared upon the planet.
Humanity was given dominion over all the lower creatures of the earth (Genesis 1:26). There is no reason to exclude dinosaurs from the scope of this passage.
http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/93-dinosaurs-and-the-bible

All in all then, there is reason to doubt the evolutionist timeline that says dinosaurs -- or the dragons -- died out before man ever arrived. There is simply too much evidence in stone, art, writing, and legend which contradicts that idea.
http://carm.org/did-men-and-dinosaurs-live-together

Some such Christians take the reference to six “days” of creation in Genesis 1 very literally to refer to six consecutive 24-hour periods. These Christians believe that dinosaurs and humans were created on the same day (Genesis 1:24-31), and so lived together on the earth until dinosaurs died out. They believe that evidence from science supports this view. The organization Answers in Genesis takes this view, and you’ll find information on dinosaurs on their website at http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/faq/dinosaurs.asp.

Other Christians who likewise believe in the truthfulness and authority of the Bible point out that Genesis 1 uses poetic language to express the truth it contains. Accordingly, we should not press the details too literally. When someone today speaks of the sun “rising,” they don’t mean to imply that the sun is going round the earth. Similarly, these Christians argue, the Bible’s account of creation conveys truth about God and his world in a poetic way that would have been understandable at the time it was written. They typically interpret the “days” of creation as much longer periods of time. This would allow for the possibility that dinosaurs died out before God created man. An organization called Answers in Creation argues for this view (see http://www.answersincreation.org/dino.htm).

It is important to note that deciding whether language is used figuratively is a question of literary style and genre. For example, whatever we think of Genesis 1, we are not free to interpret Luke’s account of Jesus’ miracles as merely figurative, because he himself claims to be writing an accurate historical account (Luke 1:1-4). The style of the other gospels and the Old Testament history of Israel show that they, too, are intended to be taken at face value.

It is also important to note that both groups of Christians see the existence of dinosaurs as no barrier to their trust in the Bible. Science and the Bible are not in conflict, but we have to recognize that our understanding of both is limited.

http://www.christianity.net.au/questions/from_christianitynetau_moblog1102

Satan has Visual Lies to fool our children into thinking that Genesis is just a myth. After all, how could Noah fit all those animals on the ark below? The most attacked part of God's word is Genesis chapters 6,7,8 (World wide flood and Noah's Ark). Yet if people would just read their Bibles, these lies should not deceive them. The Bible says the ark was about 450 feet long...Creation versus Evolution - Which is more scientific?
Evolution is just one of many false religions.
Making up a story to fit SELECTED facts is no more science than a Hollywood movie. Which is harder - changing your story (and therefore admitting you used to be wrong) or hiding the new facts that contradict your theory?
There are many false religions in this world. Even true religion has been distorted by man (denominations). Evolution is just one of many false religions. Evolution is more like a poor Hollywood story, than science. Look for a religious system with evidence. Man has always distorted the truth and the Bible predicted 2000 years ago that man would deny creation and a world-wide flood (2 Pet 3).
http://www.whybaptism.org/Creation-HTML/NoahArk.htm

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[staRang]

Uh, I think you did. But any topic can be controversial, wouldn't you agree?

In fact, I'm a little offended you implied I was born with a belief in a higher power. Are you implying I "lost my way?" It's a controversy!

To be honest with you Preston, I really don't care. I just thought it was a bit funny that threads like this fly, and a thread about Women's Body Types is"being watched by the mods." I found it amusing, so I posted.

It's obvious we see things differently, and to each his own.

Carry on.

 

[m_asim]

Weren't the dinosaurs by the time Noah came around anyway? So unless someone believes the hogwash that earth was created 6000 years ago, why the uproar?

 

[MtnRacer]

I don't care if your religious or not, this is hilarious.

Steve

 

[mlm]

Our textbooks will be much clearer, gays would have equal rights, the whole Islam world and Christian world standing toe to toe with each other would be reduced significantly since there would be much higher tolerance to different lifestyles, women wouldn't have to worry about keeping control over their bodies, little boys asses wouldn't get pounded by priests, hypocrisy would be outta style, and nobody knocking on my door telling me to go find 'someone', those are just off the top of my head. Those are the issues that would suddenly be solved

Now, I can only begin to imagine what would change in the long term, with all the better science and resources being diverted to actually beneficial things, the sky is the limit.

You really believe that? That's as whacky and naive as the religious beliefs you're bashing.

Beyond a small number of places affected by the intelligent design contrevoursy, what big changes would you expect to textbooks?

Intollerance has never been an exclusively religous issue, so thinking that everyone is going to automatically get along fine is beyond naive. Same with pedophillia, although perhaps that would no longer be illegal since folks would be more accepting of other people's lifestyles?

Christianity vs Islam will fix the middle east? I said people would forget religion, not the fact that foreign countires have been meddling in their homeland for the past century. Suppose it'll fix the Christian drug cartels in Mexico too?

As for scientific research and discovery: I agree that SOME of the issues with stem cell research are religious based, but there is also a moral issue that one could argue has nothing to do with religion. Related somewhat to the abortion issue as well, as it just has to do with the philisophical judgement of what constitutes life. Believe it or not, even professed religious people are split on these issues, and the Pope's "rulings" don't command legions of unquestioning robots

 

[pt33]

There is some compelling scientific evidence that the Dark Ages were caused by Climate Change not Religion!

Are you talking about the event in 536? The theory of a volcano filtering the sun to create a longer harsher winter is totally possible and there is evidence of that, but that was most likely for a year or two. Religion bringing science to stand still nearly went on for 500 years or more, so i can agree that climate change might have started the "dark ages", but religion kept us in it for much, much after that.

 

[SlideSF]

Hardly. Look back over time. It's safe to assume, and say, that it is innate of man to believe in a higher being, for whatever purpose. Is it not? And being such, it can be said that perhaps, we are born this way.

Now, what is it that I'm saying? Am I saying, you should believe in a God? Am I saying, be religious or die? Am I saying that your views are wrong if you don't believe in God? Am I saying that there is only one right way to live?

No. Not at all. What I'm saying is that is a natural feeling, or instinct, to believe in a higher power. How is that wrong?

'Higher being' and 'higher power' are not the same thing. While it is arguable that humans have an innate sense of awe and reverence to the apparent order of the universe, it is ridiculous to assume that that must take the form of believing that dinosaurs were on the Ark, women must cover their faces, shellfish or beef must not be eaten, etc., etc.

While I am no atheist, and in fact see that a lot of good (along with a lot of bad) has come from religious pursuit, I find it perfectly acceptable to make fun of the absurdities and contradictions to be found there. For that matter, the same can be said of science and the strict adherence to its dogmas. Anyone remember "Better living through chemistry" or "social Darwinism'?

Try to lighten up a little. Humor is a great gift to help us get through difficult times. Without it all you have is a lot of finger-pointing, self-importance, controlling and the absolute horror of contemplating all the death and suffering committed over the centuries by both religion and "enlightened" science.

 

[Lovedoc]

I think dinosaurs are extremely important. Since small children are fascinated by them, they are an early conduit to instill rational doubt in literal bible interpretation. As a battleground for young minds, both sides are going to fight for their views here.

 

[JackTheTripper]

To be honest with you Preston, I really don't care. I just thought it was a bit funny that threads like this fly, and a thread about Women's Body Types is"being watched by the mods." I found it amusing, so I posted.

It's obvious we see things differently, and to each his own.

Carry on.

This thread is being watched too. They all are. That's the job of the mods. It was only stated in the other thread to make someone's concerns feel better. Now that I've said it, do you feel better? (Being honest here.)

A thread like this "fly's" because religion is widely considered a choice. The reason a thread like you mentioned is OK is because different people have different opinions on what they are attracted to. What's wrong with discussing it? Nobody is putting down any particular type of woman, they are just saying what they prefer.

I also found it amusing that you were comparing religion to racism. So I posted.

To each their own in deed. It's a great country (and a great forum) we live in. No?

Cheers.

 

[pt33]

You really believe that? That's as whacky and naive as the religious beliefs you're bashing.

Beyond a small number of places affected by the intelligent design contrevoursy, what big changes would you expect to textbooks?

Intollerance has never been an exclusively religous issue, so thinking that everyone is going to automatically get along fine is beyond naive. Same with pedophillia, although perhaps that would no longer be illegal since folks would be more accepting of other people's lifestyles?

Christianity vs Islam will fix the middle east? I said people would forget religion, not the fact that foreign countires have been meddling in their homeland for the past century. Suppose it'll fix the Christian drug cartels in Mexico too?

As for scientific research and discovery: I agree that SOME of the issues with stem cell research are religious based, but there is also a moral issue that one could argue has nothing to do with religion. Related somewhat to the abortion issue as well, as it just has to do with the philisophical judgement of what constitutes life. Believe it or not, even professed religious people are split on these issues, and the Pope's "rulings" don't command legions of unquestioning robots

I never said everyone is going to get along once religion is gone, I said that it will be better than it is now, there is a big difference there. Nice try strawman.

Oh, and if there was no religion, society will accept pedophilia? Um, what are you smoking By your logic, do you think all non-religious people are ok with pedophilia? i hate to break this to you, but most societies that pre-date today's religions have had morals, and ethics very similar to our society, religion has almost nothing to do with our laws, morals.

the middle east: are you saying religion doens't have a big influenace on the problems over there Um, hello? Are you serious or being sarcastic, I can't tell? That is a big claim you are throwing out there. All those battles throughout history over, what was it again, was it: 'holy land'? The crusades was about what again?

In regards to abortion, so you think that if you took religion out of the issue, the debate will still be as big as it is now? Seriously . C'mon man, you are reaching way too far, I can clearly tell you are religious and butt hurt here, you are reaching waaaaaay too far.