What will it take to convince you of climate change?

[Gabe]

We will never know, if there was a squabble...but we do know for sure...no one said..."We need to build some boats" Either for fishing, or setting out to see if we can find other land.

Their belief system, failed them...they exhausted their resources, couldn't feed themselves or escape. The strong (groups or gangs) robbed and killed the weak, till they killed each other (cannibalism) till there was no more.

You read "Collapse" by Jered Diamond, no? One of my favorite books. I like how he points out evidence of cannibalism at the end of all failed societies...

 

[kevin 714]

You read "Collapse" by Jered Diamond, no? One of my favorite books. I like how he points out evidence of cannibalism at the end of all failed societies...

good book. eneded up making me go to guatemala for awhile to study the mayans

 

[louemc]

You read "Collapse" by Jered Diamond, no? One of my favorite books. I like how he points out evidence of cannibalism at the end of all failed societies...

I haven't read his book, but...There is research going right now, on Just what the hell did go on not only in the end of Egypt, but that whole desert. Cause..we know that Desert was a lush place, with rivers, and communities, before it was a Desert.

There seems to be indications, the rain stopped coming, like a light switch had been flipped. Then....(lets say, 100 to 200 years later) the Nile quit doing the annual flood. Then Egypts wheat and other agri support stopped.

There are possible hieroglyphics (hey it's not like they wrote in English) that indicate the story says...everyone was eating their children.

The efforts of this research might be too new for his book...but I don't know, is there anything about this in his book?

 

[Jabberwocky]

What will it take you to make you care?

If the earth actually explodes...

 

[Gabe]

I haven't read his book, but...There is research going right now, on Just what the hell did go on not only in the end of Egypt, but that whole desert. Cause..we know that Desert was a lush place, with rivers, and communities, before it was a Desert.

There seems to be indications, the rain stopped coming, like a light switch had been flipped. Then....(lets say, 100 to 200 years later) the Nile quit doing the annual flood. Then Egypts wheat and other agri support stopped.

There are possible hieroglyphics (hey it's not like they wrote in English) that indicate the story says...everyone was eating their children.

The efforts of this research might be too new for his book...but I don't know, is there anything about this in his book?

No, he doesn't talk about Ancient Egypt...I think he looks at Easter Island, the Anasazi, the Mayans, Greenland and modern-day Montana. Some other places, too, but I can't remember and my copy is packed (we just moved) so I can't look it up.

 

[kevin 714]

the montana chapter is really eye opening too

 

[Gabe]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43727793/ns/world_news-world_environment

And that story was written before Irene. Hurricanes in Vermont? Perfectly normal. But if we get one in Maine, well, maybe that will convince you. No? How about Nova Scotia?

EDIT: yes, I know most of that was caused by the Japan situation, which has nothing to do with climate change...but look at what the flooding, storms and fires have cost us in the US.

 

[Marlowe]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43727793/ns/world_news-world_environment

And that story was written before Irene. Hurricanes in Vermont? Perfectly normal. But if we get one in Maine, well, maybe that will convince you. No? How about Nova Scotia?

No, it won't:

The earliest storm of record here in the United States occurred on August 15, 1635 (Aug 25th). This storm was the first of the early colonial hurricanes, and had a similar track to the Great Atlantic Hurricane of 1944 and Hurricane Edna of 1954. As described by Governor John Winthrop, of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, This storm caused great destruction and uprooted thousands of trees. This storm passed between Boston and Plymouth, Massachusetts, and was a fast mover. Though Maine did not become a state until 1820, the territory was part of Massachusetts until that time. Since the track was similar to two other destructive storms in Maine, I have included it because of its proximity to this area, and to show the potential of storms here in Maine.

From: http://www.pivot.net/~cotterly/history.htm

 

[Brown81]

Quit trying to rewrite history, Marlowe.

ITS TEH WARMING!!!!

 

[Marlowe]

Quit trying to rewrite history, Marlowe.

ITS TEH WARMING!!!!

God hates Canada!!!!

And did in 1938:

 

[louemc]

Not going back through the thread, but will assume this is way off the theme of it.

A program on TV a couple nights ago, About the history of the Sahara Desert...from 3 Million years in the past, and in 10 thousand year increments forward.

Sahara Desert was (pre desert) ocean floor, then later had lush wet land, huge fresh water lakes, Rivers, and people living there.

The program did a lot of climate change info.

 

[Archimedes]

Who knows. Kanye West is a successful recording artist. Anyfuckingthing is possible.

 

[mlm]

Not sure what's more retarded. Pointing to a current weather incident as proof of climate change, or pointing to prior incidents as proof against climate change.

 

[planegray]

Not sure what's more retarded. Pointing to a current weather incident as proof of climate change, or pointing to prior incidents as proof against climate change.

It is confusing, that's why I'm keeping an eye out for a sign from the gods

 

[Papi-C]

Not going back through the thread, but will assume this is way off the theme of it.

A program on TV a couple nights ago, About the history of the Sahara Desert...from 3 Million years in the past, and in 10 thousand year increments forward.

Sahara Desert was (pre desert) ocean floor, then later had lush wet land, huge fresh water lakes, Rivers, and people living there.

The program did a lot of climate change info.

So you're saying the climate changed on it's own w/o human interventions?

 

[n10sive]

Not going back through the thread, but will assume this is way off the theme of it.

A program on TV a couple nights ago, About the history of the Sahara Desert...from 3 Million years in the past, and in 10 thousand year increments forward.

Sahara Desert was (pre desert) ocean floor, then later had lush wet land, huge fresh water lakes, Rivers, and people living there.

The program did a lot of climate change info.

I think I saw the same show on Netflix (NatGeo Documentary). Pretty interesting how there is still a massive lake of water under the desert there. Apparently Libya has been draining it, threatening the entire eco system there.

edit: Oh...and planegray, stick close to Bachmann so you don't get hit by any of those signs k?

 

[Marlowe]

Not sure what's more retarded. Pointing to a current weather incident as proof of climate change, or pointing to prior incidents as proof against climate change.

Who said it was proof against it? I certainly didn't.

I'm just suggesting that merely pointing at some oddball incident (that has occurred several times before in our recorded history) as 'proof' is ridiculous.

And it's the second time Gabe has pointed to some unusual but certainly not unheard of in recorded history event as 'proof.' In this thread.

 

[Silence]

Who said it was proof against it? I certainly didn't.

I'm just suggesting that merely pointing at some oddball incident (that has occurred several times before in our recorded history) as 'proof' is ridiculous.

And it's the second time Gabe has pointed to some unusual but certainly not unheard of in recorded history event as 'proof.' In this thread.

It's all about trend analysis. Yo.

 

[mlm]

Who said it was proof against it? I certainly didn't.

I'm just suggesting that merely pointing at some oddball incident (that has occurred several times before in our recorded history) as 'proof' is ridiculous.

And it's the second time Gabe has pointed to some unusual but certainly not unheard of in recorded history event as 'proof.' In this thread.

I'd agree, but pointing out such an event has occurred before doesn't really refute it either. The fallacy is with the general argument, not the data.

 

[mlm]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43727793/ns/world_news-world_environment

And that story was written before Irene. Hurricanes in Vermont? Perfectly normal. But if we get one in Maine, well, maybe that will convince you. No? How about Nova Scotia?

EDIT: yes, I know most of that was caused by the Japan situation, which has nothing to do with climate change...but look at what the flooding, storms and fires have cost us in the US.

Loss damages will ALWAYS increase over time, even with no change in the rate or magnitude of natural disasters.