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Question regarding weaving to warm your tires

Ryangsxr600

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07 GSX-R600
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Ryan
New to the site, let me know if I am doing anything wrong.

This morning I was pulled over for weaving to warm my tires. No big deal, I did not get a ticket or anything. Cop chews me saying I don't need to warm my tires. Well I disagree. I would rather have my tires warm to both edges. What are your opinions on weaving to warm up your tires?
 
A very well known motorcycle magazine did a test to see if that helped. It didn't. You cannot weave enough to warm your tires, it doesn't work.
 
Did he cite a vehicle code section that you violated?
 
Warming tires comes from stressing the rubber . Do this by gentile braking and accelerating, progressively adding force to both. Weaving can help remove debris from your tires, such as re-entering the road way from a unpaved turn out. Otherwise, leave the weaving to the Drunks....
DT
 
Warming tires comes from stressing the rubber . Do this by gentile braking and accelerating, progressively adding force to both. Weaving can help remove debris from your tires, such as re-entering the road way from a unpaved turn out. Otherwise, leave the weaving to the Drunks....
DT

+1
 
From Sport Rider magazine:

Few aspects of riding technique are as clouded with the dark specter of myths, old information-or just plain bad information-than how to warm up new tires. In fact, many of us, me included, still use the misleading terminology of "scrubbing" in new tires, which wrongly implies that the surface of the tire itself needs to be scrubbed or abraded to offer traction. While this may have been the case long ago when manufacturers used a mold release compound, it most definitely is not the case today.

To clear up the issue of how to ride on new tires, we cornered Cristoph Knoche, the Racing Manager for Pirelli Tire North America's Motorcycle Division. Knoche has been with Pirelli for 13 years, working with the company's R&D department while involved with World Supersport, where Pirelli won the World Championship with Fabien Foret while battling against the other brands prior to the series adopting Pirelli as the spec tire for World Supersport and World Superbike. More than just a racetrack technician, Knoche also has first-hand experience with the prototyping process and development of special racing tires.

First off, Knoche quickly dispatched the old wives' tale that the surface of the tire needs to be scuffed or roughed up to offer grip. "Maybe it's coming from the old days when people were spraying mold release on the tread when the molds were maybe not that precise," Knoche speculates, "and the machinery was not that precise. But nowadays molds are typically coated with Teflon or other surface treatments. The release you put in there (in the sidewall area only, not the tread) is for like baking a cake, you know, so that it fills all the little corners and today that is done more mechanically than by spraying. The sidewall is important because you have all the engraving in the sidewall [with tire size, inflation pressure and certifications] and that you want to look nicely on your tire, so that's why we still spray the mold release there."


The next myth we see perpetuated nearly every time we watch the warm-up lap to a race. Riders begin weaving back and forth in apparent attempt to scuff the tread surface (which we've already discounted) and generate heat. The reality is that, according to every tire engineer that I've asked, there are far more effective ways of generating heat in a tire that are also much safer. Rather than weaving back and forth-which does little in the way of generating heat but does put you at risk asking for cornering grip from tires before they're up to temperature-you're far better off using strong acceleration and braking forces, and using them while upright, not leaned over! Acceleration and braking forces impart far more flex to the tire carcass, which is what generates the heat that then transfers to the tread compound as well (you often see Formula 1 cars weaving violently back and forth because automobile tires operate on a horizontal plane, so they have and use significant sidewall flex to generate heat).
 
this is all true.. but out of habit and routine.. how many riders still do this. I do:ride.. I have even taken training classes where this practice is still done.
 
New to the site, let me know if I am doing anything wrong.

This morning I was pulled over for weaving to warm my tires. No big deal, I did not get a ticket or anything. Cop chews me saying I don't need to warm my tires. Well I disagree. I would rather have my tires warm to both edges. What are your opinions on weaving to warm up your tires?


Your bike comes equipped with tire warmers. They are both located on your right clip-on and consist of two controls.

The rear tire warmer is connected to the end of the clip-on. This control twists backwards. Twist backward to warm your rear tire.

The front tire warmer is a lever (usually silver, but given you ride a GSXR it's probably colored and crafted from billet aluminum and costs more than your gloves or boots). Squeeze this while traveling forward to warm the front tire.

Both controls also have some side effects. The rear tire warmer will also make your bike go VERY FAST. The front tire warmer will make your bike SLOW DOWN.

Large movements of either tire warmer MAY cause problems. Large movements of either tire warmer while the bike is leaned over absolutely will cause problems.

Weaving back and forth to warm your tires doesn't work. Next time, tell the officer you're getting ready for a lane splitting exercise. He'll understand and tell you to have a nice day.
 
I wonder where and when weaving was created. I started watching F1 in the early '70s, in the dawn of aerodynamics. I can't remember weaving then, but it's been too long and I was young.

Today's compounds have nothing to do with 1970s compounds. Compounds these days are so sensitive to track temperature that a mere drop of 5 degrees can be translated in seconds per lap. But then, I'm talking about a 4-wheel vehicle with so much downforce that (theoretically) could drive upside down at less than 100 mph and with telemetry up the ying yang. So the tyres take a lot of beating by weaving at straightline speeds, and certainly that beating translates into heat otherwise they wouldn't do it.

For a motorbike? I'm gonna stick with the research and file weaving in the "favourite squid myths" cabinet, right next to loud pipes save lives.
 
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Your bike comes equipped with tire warmers. They are both located on your right clip-on and consist of two controls.

The rear tire warmer is connected to the end of the clip-on. This control twists backwards. Twist backward to warm your rear tire.

The front tire warmer is a lever (usually silver, but given you ride a GSXR it's probably colored and crafted from billet aluminum and costs more than your gloves or boots). Squeeze this while traveling forward to warm the front tire.

Both controls also have some side effects. The rear tire warmer will also make your bike go VERY FAST. The front tire warmer will make your bike SLOW DOWN.

Large movements of either tire warmer MAY cause problems. Large movements of either tire warmer while the bike is leaned over absolutely will cause problems.

Weaving back and forth to warm your tires doesn't work. Next time, tell the officer you're getting ready for a lane splitting exercise. He'll understand and tell you to have a nice day.

LOL
 
Your bike comes equipped with tire warmers. They are both located on your right clip-on and consist of two controls.

The rear tire warmer is connected to the end of the clip-on. This control twists backwards. Twist backward to warm your rear tire.

The front tire warmer is a lever (usually silver, but given you ride a GSXR it's probably colored and crafted from billet aluminum and costs more than your gloves or boots). Squeeze this while traveling forward to warm the front tire.

Both controls also have some side effects. The rear tire warmer will also make your bike go VERY FAST. The front tire warmer will make your bike SLOW DOWN.

Large movements of either tire warmer MAY cause problems. Large movements of either tire warmer while the bike is leaned over absolutely will cause problems.

Weaving back and forth to warm your tires doesn't work. Next time, tell the officer you're getting ready for a lane splitting exercise. He'll understand and tell you to have a nice day.

The effort it took to write this while corroborating "accelerate and brake to warm your tires..." Genius. And the fact that there were safety guidelines built into satire? More genius. Well done.
 
this is all true.. but out of habit and routine.. how many riders still do this. I do:ride.. I have even taken training classes where this practice is still done.

Habit and routine....??? WFT..??

I am very concerned about your training class........... Please elaborate so we all know what class to avoid...
 
I imagine if you weaved a pair of tire warmers that might help warm up your tires
 
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