Race bikes that are listed as "never raced"

[watsgowinon]

I have done two track days, and even in novice group, they can get pretty competitive..

I also know my bike has seen its fair share of 15k rpm.. even on the street.

I personally wont list it as never raced.. especially since im not the first owner .

People use the 'never raced' phrase to dupe buyers into thinking the bike hasnt been run hard at all. And to counter your point, you can do a hard track day without racing, but that doesnt mean that you arent putting the same wear and tear on the drivetrain and engine.

I'm just saying.

How did you know it was a racebike? Was it safety-wired?

 

[Spec-ECU]

I have done two track days, and even in novice group, they can get pretty competitive..

I also know my bike has seen its fair share of 15k rpm.. even on the street.

I personally wont list it as never raced.. especially since im not the first owner .

People use the 'never raced' phrase to dupe buyers into thinking the bike hasnt been run hard at all. And to counter your point, you can do a hard track day without racing, but that doesnt mean that you arent putting the same wear and tear on the drivetrain and engine.

I'm just saying.

What is your definition of "hard riding?"

Majority of sport riders, even the ones that frequent trackdays (even in A-pace) still do not come close to the full potential of most modern sportbikes. Modern sportbikes nowadays are designed to be wrung and hammered before the type of riding even becomes too hard on the bike.

 

[corndog67]

I have done two track days, and even in novice group, they can get pretty competitive..

I also know my bike has seen its fair share of 15k rpm.. even on the street.

I personally wont list it as never raced.. especially since im not the first owner .

People use the 'never raced' phrase to dupe buyers into thinking the bike hasnt been run hard at all. And to counter your point, you can do a hard track day without racing, but that doesnt mean that you arent putting the same wear and tear on the drivetrain and engine.

I'm just saying.

Have you ever paid an entry fee? Well, you've never raced it then. Why wouldn't you advertise it as never raced, just because you feel you've hauled ass on it? That isn't correct. If it's never had numbers stuck on in, been safety wired and tech inspected, and actually been on a starting line, it's unraced.

But I also think you are tripping on nothing.

 

[Supa_Hero_RR]

How did you know it was a racebike? Was it safety-wired?

well thats my whole point. it wasnt safety wired.

but from the other signs, it probably should be.

 

[Raider]

I've taken my bike to the track, I don't consider that racing though.

 

[Gixxergirl1000]

well thats my whole point. it wasnt safety wired.

but from the other signs, it probably should be.

What are these "other signs"? Tire shedding isn't one... what else had you concerned?

 

[Supa_Hero_RR]

Modern sportbikes nowadays are designed to be wrung and hammered before the type of riding even becomes too hard on the bike.

oh really?

from my experience, the quality you get from a used bike depends on the bike as much as it depends on the owner, and how truthful he is.


this was the result of a teardown, 5000 miles into owning my current bike, and the P.O. claimed he drove it like a 'lil old lady' for most of its life.

call me jaded, bitter, skeptical, whatever. but from now on, my rule is that if it looks like somebody's lying to you, it probably is

 

[corndog67]

oh really?

from my experience, the quality you get from a used bike depends on the bike as much as it depends on the owner, and how truthful he is.


this was the result of a teardown, 5000 miles into owning my current bike, and the P.O. claimed he drove it like a 'lil old lady' for most of its life.

call me jaded, bitter, skeptical, whatever. but from now on, my rule is that if it looks like somebody's lying to you, it probably is

You've got yourself convinced. That hole was burned into the piston, probably from a lean condition.

If you are so nervous about it, have it inspected by a real shop or a real mechanic or racer that you know and trust. I think you are focusing on the wrong things here, but I could be wrong.

 

[J-Boat]

oh really?

from my experience, the quality you get from a used bike depends on the bike as much as it depends on the owner, and how truthful he is.


this was the result of a teardown, 5000 miles into owning my current bike, and the P.O. claimed he drove it like a 'lil old lady' for most of its life.

call me jaded, bitter, skeptical, whatever. but from now on, my rule is that if it looks like somebody's lying to you, it probably is

Wow, you're actually blaming the prior owner of your bike for something that happened 5,000 miles after purchase. Looks like you were running pretty lean there...

 

[Reli]

Sounds like you want the seller to say "This bike has been tracked"......like as if that's a negative thing. There are many street riders who ride just as hard as trackday riders.

Trackdays are not racing. Also here is the cardinal rule of any business transaction: He who offers information first, loses. If you want to ask if it's been tracked, fine, do so......But don't expect the seller to say it in advance. Why should he? It opens the door to a lowballing attempt.

I personally would be more afraid of a stunter's bike, or even just a wannabe stunter who only does it here & there. I'm quite sure wheelies put more stress on the drivetrain than a simple run to the redline. But do you really think someone is going to be honest and say Yeah I've stunted on it?

You are buying an "unknown" with every bike. If you don't trust them, or they seem like a total squid, then just move on to the next one.

 

[Supa_Hero_RR]

Wow, you're actually blaming the prior owner of your bike for something that happened 5,000 miles after purchase. Looks like you were running pretty lean there...

woahh there buddy. how do you know for sure, that it happened in 5000 miles under my ownership? I'm as much of a hobbyist and enthusiast as much as I am a wrencher, and I can tell you for sure, thats from extended abuse, high rpm and bad gas over a lonnggg period of time.

bikes dont just suddenly melt a piston in 5000 miles.

 

[corndog67]

woahh there buddy. how do you know for sure, that it happened in 5000 miles under my ownership? I'm as much of a hobbyist and enthusiast as much as I am a wrencher, and I can tell you for sure, thats from extended abuse, high rpm and bad gas over a lonnggg period of time.

bikes dont just suddenly melt a piston in 5000 miles.

If it ran for 5000 miles before doing that, and if none of the other pistons showed any damage, it isn't necessarily on the previous owner. Could be any number of things.

Why did you ask, if you already have yourself convinced that you are right as far as raced? Like I said earlier, if you really don't know what you are looking at, have someone that does check it out first, or buy new, then when something happens, you have nobody to blame but yourself. Scrubbed in tires and scuffed boots are just indicators of someone that rides hard. That isn't raced.

 

[LongGoneJohn]

A trackday, or even 30 trackdays, are completely different than racing both in practical terms and in wear and tear. Don't confuse the two.

Check the waterpump, oil filter and all hoses where they are clamped. If those are all safety wired, it was likely raced.

If nothing is drilled / safety wired, or if just the axles, drain plug and forks are drilled / wired it was probably just a trackday bike.

 

[J-Boat]

woahh there buddy. how do you know for sure, that it happened in 5000 miles under my ownership?

That's my point, you don't...

 

[louemc]

woahh there buddy. how do you know for sure, that it happened in 5000 miles under my ownership? I'm as much of a hobbyist and enthusiast as much as I am a wrencher, and I can tell you for sure, thats from extended abuse, high rpm and bad gas over a lonnggg period of time.

bikes dont just suddenly melt a piston in 5000 miles.

5,000 miles isn't "suddenly", in holing a pistionville...
How do know the guy's boot's were scuffed or shagged, by him? Poser's buy scuffed up stuff all the time, to have a look, they can't acquire, themselves.

 

[Lucky Jones]

How do know the guy's boot's were scuffed or shagged, by him? Poser's buy scuffed up stuff all the time, to have a look, they can't acquire, themselves.

HEY!! I buy ALL my stuff "rashed"...


I'm really, really cheap.

plus...


I gotta' look the part....

 

[CAmudgeon]

A trackday, or even 30 trackdays, are completely different than racing both in practical terms and in wear and year. Don't confuse the two.

Check the waterpump, oil filter and all hoses where they are clamped. If those are all safety wired, it was likely raced.

If nothing is drilled / safety wired, or if just the axles, drain plug and forks are drilled / wired it was probably just a trackday bike.

This. I have never raced motorcycles, but I have raced karts.

There is a huge difference between the thrashing the machinery gets when running at the track for practice vs actively racing. The adrenaline, and will to win means things are going to get pushed to (and beyond) the limit during racing/qualy, unless the racer has no ambition.

 

[russ69]

...huge difference between the thrashing the machinery gets when running at the track for practice vs actively racing...

Not for me. I practice as hard as I race. The karts (or bikes) got thrashed whenever it was on the track, you don't learn anything going half speed.

 

[LongGoneJohn]

Not for me. I practice as hard as I race. The karts (or bikes) got thrashed whenever it was on the track, you don't learn anything going half speed.

That's not what he, or I, is saying. If you race, then it is a racebike and that falls into the racebike category.

A person who has a bike dedicated to the track -- but does not race -- is not thrashing the bike as hard as you or I do, because, they don't race and thus aren't "practicing as hard as they race" because, uh, they don't race.

See the difference? You and I would have the same usage on our racebike whether we were doing trackdays or racing, because ultimately we're practicing on our racebike to race at a later date.

A dude who puts race plastics on his CBR1000rr and makes it a "dedicated track bike" but has no intention of, and never actually races, will not have the same wear and tear as one who did.

 

[WeekEndWarrior]

did OP post link to said bike? or at least a picture?