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Cars parking in Motorcycle spots at Valley Fair Malll

cycle61 said:
Guess what, there are very few vehicles that will actually cover both sides of a compact spot if they're parked properly. Even a full size truck fits width-wise, unless it's a dually.

Compact is a hazy, undefined category. Motorcycle is not. Your analogy is weak.
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I think you're wrong. Go to Bishop Ranch in San Ramon with a full-size truck/SUV and see what happens.

And yes, a Honda Accord might be hazy, but a full-size truck/SUV is certainly not.
 
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People who park over the line are also inconsiderate, selfish douchebags with little to no situational awareness. Still trying to figure out how this correlates to motorcycle spots.
 
Reli said:
Space #1 is marked "compact cars"
Space #2 is marked "motorcycles"

Why is space #2 more deserving of protection than space #1?

Just because we're motorcyclists, and we say so?
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*sigh*

Point number 1: Thread title is "Cars parking in Motorcycle spots at Valley Fair Mall!"
Point number 2: Anyone parking a car in a motorcycle parking spot is an illiterate, inconsiderate douchecanoe. Since we don't have public floggings or stonings any more, they should get a ticket at the very least for being selfish little pricks.
Point number 3: At no point does compact car parking have anything to do with this thread.
Focus. Seriously.
 
Gixxergirl1000 said:
Focus. Seriously.
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:laughing

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Reli said:
LOL......I haven't read the thread, but if I drove into a lot and saw that motorcycle spaces were the only ones left, I'd be tempted to use them too. :laughing First come first serve.

Motorcycle spaces are offered as a courtesy only -- They're not intended to provide bike-only parking.

The true purpose of those spaces is to make bikes more visible as a group, so that cagers can see them and not knock them over.

I would be highly surprised if there's some sort of city ordinance saying that only bikes can use bike parking. If there is, it's bullshit.

Oh, and those so-called "compact only" spaces? Nobody obeys that either. Hell, even my little 3-series often doesn't fit, because of how close everyone else is. Too many large vehicles have "cheated". So eventually people are forced to park over the lines, or even skip a space. As long as everyone can open their doors, it doesn't really matter. It would have been better if large vehicles hadn't parked there, but I don't see those rules being enforced.
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I agree with you to some extent.

Motorcycle parking is not guaranteed by law.

There is nothing to say I can't park in a regular car spot. And when I park in a odd corner which no car can fit, or leave my bike on a quiet sidewalk, I don't expect a ticket or to be messed with.

But I can walk a block rather park my car in an area designated for bikes.

Also there is the idea that bikers are superbadasses who you shouldn't fuck with their bikes or their parking spots.

Naturally, I subscribe to that theory, but not everyone does. And who likes it when your bluff gets called?
 
Reli said:
Space #1 is marked "compact cars"
Space #2 is marked "motorcycles"

Why is space #2 more deserving of protection than space #1?

Just because we're motorcyclists, and we say so?
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Space one is a suggested situation. I could not find any STATE law regarding rules for parking in a compact spot.

Space two is enforceable as there is no way to park a car there without taking 2 spaces.

As far as the width thing. A compact car by EPA definition is 106 inch wheelbase or less. By this definition a Plymouth barracuda could
Be defined as a compact car even though it's a big wide pig.
 
I don't know Valley Fair Mall, but what if there truly were no other spots that day? And no street parking outside that structure?

If you rode a bike, and a car space was the only thing left, you'd take it, right? So a car driver might feel the same way about a bike space. Sure if there's street parking available, he should have used it and walked.....but from the pic, we don't know.

BTW, I agree with the guy who said that when he rides he tries to leave room for a second bike..... but that's actually kind of rare. Most bikers I see park in the exact center of the space, or diagonally. I bet this is what pisses off some cagers , to see only 1 bike in a space.

Also we have the option to park up against the building, if the owner is cool with it.
 
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No, there is no street parking. That garage exists in a shopping center with are all mall-type roads.

I thought "compact" spaces were remnants of a bygone wishful thinking era when everyone drove American boats.
 
Reli said:
I don't know Valley Fair Mall, but what if there truly were no other spots that day? And no street parking outside that structure?

If you rode a bike, and a car space was the only thing left, you'd take it, right? So a car driver might feel the same way about a bike space. Sure if there's street parking available, he should have used it and walked.....but from the pic, we don't know.

BTW, I agree with the guy who said he tries to leave room for a second bike to use the car space... but that's actually kind of rare. Most bikers I see park in the exact center of the space, or diagonally. I bet this is what pisses off some cagers , to see only 1 bike in a space.

Also we have the option to park up against the building, if the owner is cool with it.
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The difference is that a motorcycle will fit into a car space, whereas the car will not fit in a motorcycle space.

There's a really simple flow for this:
Does your vehicle fit in the space without touching any of the lines?
Yes? Park there.
No? Don't be a douche, find another space.

How is this difficult to understand? It's the same logic behind why people shouldn't park on the line between 2 parking spaces, regardless of your vehicle.
 
Gixxergirl1000 said:
Point number 1: Thread title is "Cars parking in Motorcycle spots at Valley Fair Mall!"
Point number 3: At no point does compact car parking have anything to do with this thread.
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Reli said:
At least my posts are actual on-topic opinions, not "I pooped today", which would be better off on Facebook.
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:orly :applause:confused:bs:loser:facepalm
maybe Facebook is more your level.:twofinger
 
Reli said:
If you rode a bike, and a car space was the only thing left, you'd take it, right?
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Dude get it through your head... A motorcycle can legally park in a regular parking spot. It's one vehicle taking up a spot for one vehicle. A car cannot park in the motorcycle spot. It would be one vehicle taking up spots for 2 vehicles. They make those spots so you don't end up with 5 bikes taking up 5 full size spots which makes it easier for you to find a spot to park your little 3 series.
 
I personally think vandalizing someone's property is stupid, regardless if the person is at fault or not. You are not LEO's so don't do stupid things. The right thing to do is to call it into mall security or SJPD and let them get a ticket for parking there. Think about your actions and try to act like adults. I know for a lot of you that is hard.
 
angelsndevils said:
They make those spots so you don't end up with 5 bikes taking up 5 full size spots which makes it easier for you to find a spot to park your little 3 series.
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Good point, but maybe it wouldn't be necessary if more bikers parked intelligently, leaving enough space for another bike to park in their spot. :twofinger
 
Reli said:
Good point, but maybe it wouldn't be necessary if more bikers parked intelligently, leaving enough space for another bike to park in their spot. :twofinger
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Perhaps you know or see too many assholes? :rolleyes If I have to, I ALWAYS park in a "car" space with enough room to...

A: Not get my bike wanged by some asshole's door.
B: Enough room to easily shoe horn 2-3 more bikes in, and still leave me a way out.

If I can manage to not be a dick, on a fucking HUGE bike. Asshats with 1k, 600's, etc can do the damn same.

And as was already said, Moto spots are offered to us for convenience of ALL persons using the lot.

1: Motos are out of the way, AND more visible.
2: We take up less spaces useable for larger vehicles.
3: Increase parking vehicle to persons capacity. Meaning MORE SHOPPERS for the businesses.

Any view outside of Moto parking being a great thing for ALL, is just pathetic as "all about ME" bullshit. It's not a trade off, it's not a give and take. Moto specific parking is a win all the way around. Don't believe me, then ask yourself this. Why are more places offering it ?
 
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FWIW, compact spaces are 7-8' wide by 17-19' deep, while standard spaces are 9'+ wide and 19'+ deep. There are design standards to them, but nothing in the law (that I'm aware of) governing who can park in them. Developers usually use them to force in enough parking spaces to meet a design requirement (X square feet of building space requires Y number of parking spaces in commercial developments).
 
Mind bomb! What if the parking structure only allows motorcycles to park in motorcycle parking and will ticket you if you park a motorcycle in car parking!
 
Entoptic said:
Mind bomb! What if the parking structure only allows motorcycles to park in motorcycle parking and will ticket you if you park a motorcycle in car parking!
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Egg-zackly!!! That's what they do at the hospital I work at. They ticket bikes who park in regular car spots. If that's not bad enough, they charge you the same price to park in the tiny moto spot.:jaded
 
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