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CT Racing / Pirelli/ best tire

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brianbartlow

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Thank you Corey, Chris and Jeff at CT Racing for the support you guys put into my race program and what you do for all Pirelli racers. You guys work hard and have a great staff. Big thanks to Chris McGuire for his early morning and late night hard work. I would really like to know how much faster the Pros would have gone on Pirelli's.Thanks to Pirelli tires,I have over 25 motorcycle championships,broke 18 class track records and over 350 wins. Thank you again for my success in my racing career.
 
brianbartlow said:
.I would really like to know how much faster the Pros would have gone on Pirelli's.
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good question, though the answer may be "slower". Most of the pro teams that showed up for the AMA weekend have been on dunlops for way longer than AMA was a spec tire series so their bikes data & tuning has been set up on dunlops for years. The last time I remember both brands running the same track configuration was Laguna in 05, when world superbike was there with AMA. Wsbk was Pirelli spec & AMA was Dunlop spec, & iirc the AMA superbikes posted faster times, but a lot has changed for both tire companies. I personally would like to see a lot of the "spec" racing rules opened back up to allow for more competition between manufactures, & not just tires, I'd like to see some other motor makers in moto-2.
 
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Though for 600s attack won Daytona in 07 with Rapp, or maybe 08. Was a good race, but all the Honda's dnf'ed with tank vent problems.
 
SBK ran at Laguna last year Shawn and a few AMA guys ran in it, but I haven't compared those times to AMA times at Laguna.
 
Can't beat the customer service you get from Chris at CT Racing. I have a feeling all tires will continue to be faster than I can go. With that said, customer service is a huge factor in where I spend my money. I'm amazed how quick CT Racing gets my tires changed out, the early/late hours they work, and the fact they still take the time to have a conversation. Thanks Chris!
 
Holeshot said:
SBK ran at Laguna last year Shawn and a few AMA guys ran in it, but I haven't compared those times to AMA times at Laguna.
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Forgot about that, lol. I only remember my riders ss lap times.
 
Pirelli had quicker lap times in Superbike at Laguna last year.:thumbup Chris does an amazing job, his whole crew is awesome.
 
^^^ which doesn't surprise me. The dmg rules for superbike aren't near as open as pre dmg, hence why I mentioned the 05 round :teeth
 
You'd have to compare the Jordan Suzuki lap times from July of last year during the MotoGP weekend, when they raced on Dunlops, to their times during the WSBK weekend when they raced on Pirellis. Supposedly, their bikes were the same for each race weekend. Lap times from the race would be preferable because I think WSBK allowed a sticky tire for qualifying.


And for further reference. AMA Superbike and WSBK ran the same track configuration at Miller in 2012.
 
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DogBoy said:
You'd have to compare the Jordan Suzuki lap times from July of last year during the MotoGP weekend, when they raced on Dunlops, to their times during the WSBK weekend when they raced on Pirellis. Supposedly, their bikes were the same for each race weekend. Lap times from the race would be preferable because I think WSBK allowed a sticky tire for qualifying.
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pretty much. hayden's fastest lap time on the AMA weekend in july was 1:25.138 & his fastest in the superpole, with possible "quailifing" tires was 1:24.245, a difference of .893 sec. for reference mladin did a 1:24.886 in 05.
 
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pretty much. hayden's fastest lap time on the AMA weekend in july was 1:25.138 & his fastest in the superpole, with possible "quailifing" tires was 1:24.245, a difference of .893 sec. for reference mladin did a 1:24.886 in 05.
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"in Race 2 Roger Lee Hayden was ranked eighth setting the fastest lap in 1’24.245 and running faster than Josh Hayes, who won the AMA Superbike race"

Article here: http://www.pirelli.com/tyre/ww/en/n...-pirelli-shatters-lap-records-at-laguna-seca/

But from what I understand it wasn't just tires, it was fuel as well. I THINK the Jordan Motorsport bikes were making a bit more power on WSBK gas as well. Its obvious that the Supercorsas are a bit faster than the US made GPAs, but I'd be more interested in a Uk GP versus Supercorsa comparison. According to Dunlop themselves, the GP is 1/2 second faster than the GPA.
 
^^^ but gp vs. gpa is DOTs & superbikes run slicks.
 
Do they not have GP slicks? I thought they did, but I could be wrong

Edit: Or are you saying only the DOT GPs are 1/2 sec a lap faster then the DOT GPAs, but slick GPs are the same as slick GPAs? Could be, I don't really know, lol
 
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MarcMarquez said:
But from what I understand it wasn't just tires, it was fuel as well.
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This photo was tweeted by 23race last year in the weeks leading up to Laguna WSBK. The caption indicated they were re-tuning for different fuel and increased WSBK race distance. I can't find the original source anymore, it looks like a lot of their photos have been deleted off twitter.

So even that bike in AMA vs WSBK is not a straight up comparison.

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MarcMarquez said:
Do they not have GP slicks? I thought they did, but I could be wrong

Edit: Or are you saying only the DOT GPs are 1/2 sec a lap faster then the DOT GPAs, but slick GPs are the same as slick GPAs? Could be, I don't really know, lol
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Gp or gpa is the designation for the DOT tires. As far as 1/2 sec goes I don't really think its a realistic way of comparing the UK vs us tires. I mean Ricky Corey wasn't 1/2 quicker a lap than joey pascarella during the bwillow fp race. Ricky was on the UK slick & joey was on the US DOT.
 
It's true what you are saying, it isn't realistic at all. Just hypothetical, in the real world there are way to many variables. Dunlop puts it pretty well: "Depending on many factors, the GPA is on a par with the GP or within 1/2 a second lap time of GP. Some riders report the GP provides more competitive laps. Again, the choice is yours."
 
I'm sorry to have helped drag this thread so far off topic. I don't race AFM or do big track days but everyone I talk to absolutely raves at CT racing. Good to have such a supplier in the community.
 
elskipador said:
Gp or gpa is the designation for the DOT tires. As far as 1/2 sec goes I don't really think its a realistic way of comparing the UK vs us tires. I mean Ricky Corey wasn't 1/2 quicker a lap than joey pascarella during the bwillow fp race. Ricky was on the UK slick & joey was on the US DOT.
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Of course they would mean same rider, same bike, same conditions.

Chris and Corey are great guys, that go out of there way to help racers.
 
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