• There has been a recent cluster of spammers accessing BARFer accounts and posting spam. To safeguard your account, please consider changing your password. It would be even better to take the additional step of enabling 2 Factor Authentication (2FA) on your BARF account. Read more here.

Illegal Pot Farms

Climber said:
No formal model, mostly common sense.
Do you believe that California paying $0.80 higher for gas than anywhere else in the country is due to free market forces?
Click to expand...

Yes, California has higher taxes and California requires a different / specific blend to meet CARB.

To improve air quality, the state limits the type of gasoline to a specially formulated blend commonly known as CARBOB. The blend, too expensive for most outside producers to make and deliver, is largely created within the state.
Click to expand...

So, yes the higher price in CA is exactly due to free market. Fewer refineries make a CA specific blend, less supply, more demand = higher price. As an FYI, the $0.80 delta was in 2015... current delta from the national average is $0.60. Right there is market action changing the price :twofinger
 
I would love for the forest service to be fully funded to militarize and go after these assholes and just systematically wipe them out.
 
The environmental issues with these illegal grows certainly aren't anything new.
 
bojangle said:
The environmental issues with these illegal grows certainly aren't anything new.
Click to expand...

No, they've been around awhile but having the necessary resources to deal with them have been issues. Our Sheriff (Tom Allman) finally got fed up a few years ago and called several County Sheriffs together to go out as a team to do a "Swat" type intervention, arrest and bust up of many big time operations.

Since this level of enforcement cannot be sustained, they just came right back once the dust cleared.

Dan
 
CABilly said:
I would love for the forest service to be fully funded to militarize and go after these assholes and just systematically wipe them out.
Click to expand...

Like we do in Iraq and Syria? We are talking about the same geographical area. Impossible, no matter how much funding. Plus softie recruits. Fagettiboutit.

CoorsLight said:
Add some ewoks and you may even take out the shield generator.
Click to expand...

Thanks for this. Perspective level 10.

bojangle said:
The environmental issues with these illegal grows certainly aren't anything new.
Click to expand...

Yes and no. If you mean post-215 yes.(1996) Things were scaled up big time, with non-smoking nerds and out of state players weighing in. One constant is cartels. Since forever they have been doing their thing in the woods. Unintended consequence of increased border security helped create the literal armies in the woods we now have.

BTW, a 10' by 10' plant in a 300 gallon grow bag takes 15-25 gallons of water a day in June. There are tens of thousands of these deployed in the region. "Eel River run dry" is no joke. I would say it should be regulated like produce, but the FDA here at Otay Mesa already turns back up to 30% of produce destined for WF labeled organic for pesticide residue. Biggest offender, also big importer.
 
It's just like anything else, the methods are reflective of the people. Depending on your point of reference, any grow that isn't fed gov't sponsored at Ole Miss is illegal, so you encapsulating pretty much everyone with 'illegal pot farms poison the environment'. In which case, it's no different than any other prejudiced generalization; Asians are bad drivers, fat people are jolly, etc. It's both true and untrue. The people that grow out here are generally hippy'esque types and everything's organic. I've seen the plant food they use, it's expensive earthy stuff and even the boxes are compostable. The way you shut them down out here is via complaint driven ordinance, so they tiptoe within the community and are overly nice, overly courteous and overly environmental. We love our dogs out here and there's no poisoning of anything and no stabbing of anything. It's the complete opposite of the article and they're all "illegal pot farms". You could say the same thing about manufacturing/production in the US, like coupling Burt's Bee's with the companies out in the Athabasca oil sands. That's an earth sized umbrella.
 
Byke,
That's probably not the norm. I have personally run across grow sites that were definitely not cartel grows. Local people growing in the woods behind their homes. And it was not pretty. We're talking lots and lots of black plastic sheeting to dam up a spring, lots if irrigation lines, miracle grow bags tossed in the impounded water, rat poison in the area, fish hooks hanging at eye level,.....
 
Only issue I take is that they encapsulate everyone with "illegal pot farm" and there's plenty of people who grow the way you'd want them to. The only grows I've seen in person were nice ones with nice people. From the people I've talked to, anyone who uses miracle grow is a super asshole and they hate those people because it gives them a bad name. It's no different than any other generalization, they have some truth to them and there are also plenty of examples that convey the opposite.

You have to consider the source of your exposure. Police probably aren't encountering good growers. A person who encounters grows on state/federal land is probably never going to find good growers. I'm just in a rural neighborhood with regular folks growing on their own property, much more likely to come across good grows. We moved out here not knowing people grew out here and it made me uncomfortable at first, until I ended up talking to one guy and seeing what he was doing, then another, then another, etc. They've turned out to be a pretty neat and eclectic group of people who don't deserve to be rounded up with the asshole miracle grow'ers. They've earned some sort of differentiation, imo.
 
I talked to a guy who grows and each plant is water and labor intensive. I never realized, before that, how much water and manual labor it took to grow a good healthy pot plant.
 
Had a friend whose dog was shot and wounded by a pot grower up in Palo Colorado cyn that thought the dog was a mountain lion.
 
My school developed this.

I was there for the creation of it. They are studying many of the same issues...Primarily with water diversion, pesticides, and the ecological impact. One professor suggested that the diversion and run off was contributing or a huge part in the green algae that is found in the rivers in the Emerald triangle. I hope the heavy rain fall this year helped wash some of that out as it was affecting dogs, wild life, and tainting local water sources.

Let me say...I hate the big growers out there. They are "oh hippy good life, good earth, F the capitalists" and they are exactly that themselves--a greedy capitalist that cares nothing for the people or nature in its way of scoring an extra buck in their pocket.
 
Last edited:
a good % of entries were DQ in last year emerald cups finals due to findings of banned pesticides in their testings
 
I applaud the legalization, and voted for it- because I hoped that it would get rid of the scum that are growing in Parks/Forests. I am an avid hiker. I don't wanna get my head blown off because I hiked near a grow.
 
teg916 said:
This is the argument I never understood. People claim cigarettes are bad for you because of the additives, and MJ is not because it doesn't have them.

If the problem is additives, then isn't the solution to ban the additives? What makes anyone think that additives won't be used for MJ if it becomes legal?
Click to expand...

People are wrong. Anytime you burn plant matter at relatively low temps like a cigarette, a wide variety of toxic and carcinogenic compounds are formed. Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, heterocyclic amines, and acrolein just to name a few. Additives don't contribute much to the toxicity of inhaled smoke unless they contain metals.

Whether or not additives would be used in commercial MJ products will depend on factors other than safety.
 
CoorsLight said:
People are wrong. Anytime you burn plant matter at relatively low temps like a cigarette, a wide variety of toxic and carcinogenic compounds are formed. Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, heterocyclic amines, and acrolein just to name a few. Additives don't contribute much to the toxicity of inhaled smoke unless they contain metals.

Whether or not additives would be used in commercial MJ products will depend on factors other than safety.
Click to expand...

yup. smoking weed is still not good for you.
 
Yep, it's pretty stupid. Especially since the people buying into it the most are the people with the most to lose (youth).
 
While inhaling the smoke from burning plant matter is inherently unhealthy, cigarettes add a veritable cocktail of chemicals.

To say they're the same is as silly as saying pot smoke is healthy.
 
mean dad said:
While inhaling the smoke from burning plant matter is inherently unhealthy, cigarettes add a veritable cocktail of chemicals.

To say they're the same is as silly as saying pot smoke is healthy.
Click to expand...
If Pot cigarettes go full commercial, you don't think that the corporations aren't going to add ingredients to make them more addictive?

We're talking about an industry that has proven for decades that profits are everything and deaths and health issues of their consumers mean absolutely nothing to them.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top