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Illegal Pot Farms

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https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/03/backcountry-drug-war/521352/

Summary... Illegal pot farms use unregulated pesticides, killing wildlife, poisoning soil and contaminating water. Legal dispensaries are finding pesticides on the pot available to be purchased and they appear at detectable levels when the plant is smoked. In addition to the wildlife impact from pesticides, their is an impact driven from water usage.

Opinion,
This is an issue best closed by the pot industry internally. I.E. self regulation as the effect from the Govt. getting involved may not be desired.

Data:
  • The lethal poisons growers use to protect their crops and campsites from pests are annihilating wildlife, polluting pristine public lands, and maybe even turning up in your next bong hit.

  • grow sites tested positive for carbofuran, a neurotoxic insecticide which found in "rodenticide" has been banned in the U.S., Canada and the EU. Farmers in Kenya have used it to kill lions. Symptoms of exposure range from nausea and blurred vision to convulsions, spontaneous abortions, and death.

  • Pacific fishers (Pekania pennanti), cat-sized carnivores that live in old-growth forests in the Rockies and Sierra Nevadas...There are fewer than 500 fishers left in the mountains of northern California. 58 fisher carcasses collected over the previous three years were tested and found that more than 80 percent had rodenticide in their systems. It even showed up in nursing kits, meaning the mothers passed it through their milk. Some animals tested positive for four separate toxic compounds. Since then the numbers have only risen. In 2016, the scientists tested 22 radio-collared fishers that had apparently died of natural causes; every one had some kind of synthetic poison in its system.

  • The poisons could spread far beyond each grow site and contaminate the water supply of towns and cities far downstream. The toxicants can leach into the soil and linger for years. Using water monitors, organophosphates—nerve agents used to make insecticides and certain types of chemical weapons—are found several hundred meters downhill from grow sites.

  • Pesticides are showing up on both leaves and buds at trespass grows and they appear at detectable levels when the plant is smoked. There hasn’t been any formal research in California yet, but studies and investigations in Colorado and Oregon have found pesticides on marijuana in legal dispensaries, including in products that were supposedly certified pesticide-free. Last year, the Emerald Cup, a major cannabis competition in Sonoma County that focuses on organic growing, started testing entries for pesticides. About a quarter of the concentrates and more than 5 percent of flowers were disqualified.

  • In a controlled setting, a marijuana plant uses about six gallons of water per day, which over a 150-day growing season comes out to 3,400 liters (900 gallons) of water per plant. Trespass grows use 50 percent more water because of less efficient irrigation systems and added stressors like pests, pathogens, and drier weather at higher elevations. One study by the California Department of Fish and Wildlife estimated that trespass marijuana grows used about 300 million gallons of water per square mile, roughly the same as almond orchards. The 1.1 million illegal pot plants removed in California in 2016 would have used somewhere around 1.3 billion gallons of water
 
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This sounds like a troubling issue. Do you have sources for your data?
 
Not to mention that many of these idiots use National Park land and threaten hikers who come close. And the Forest Service is under-resourced to deal with it.
 
and we figured methamphetamine production messed up our surroundings! Hopefully the growers in this budding industry will value the environment over profit.
 
These practices are rampant in Mendocino and Humbolt counties, especially on National Forest lands.

Dan
 
interesting information. I'm not doubting it's veracity, but, do you have a link? I also agree with your opinion.

I wonder how they get the illegal toxins and how they irrigate on trespassed land.
 
This sounds like a troubling issue. Do you have sources for your data?

my apologies, I added the link to the OP as well.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/03/backcountry-drug-war/521352/

I looked into the website the article was posted on, and while they have a left leaning viewpoint, generally the data they present is regarded as reputable. I expect it should be a good starting point for the conversation i.e. don't disregard the "facts" based on the source.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-atlantic/


These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information, but may require further investigation. See all Left-Center sources.

Factual Reporting: HIGH

Notes: The Atlantic is an American magazine, founded in 1857 as The Atlantic Monthly in Boston, Massachusetts. Since 2006, the magazine is based in Washington, D.C. Created as a literary and cultural commentary magazine, it has grown to achieve a national reputation as a high-quality review organ with a moderate worldview. The periodical has won more National Magazine Awards than any other monthly magazine (Wikipedia). Has a slight of liberal bias in reporting coverage, put produces exceptional journalism that is sourced and factual.
 

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and we figured methamphetamine production messed up our surroundings! Hopefully the growers in this budding industry will value the environment over profit.

It also messes up our ability to get high quality nasal decongestants. Drixoral quit making their excellent product largely because of this issue (only OTC decongestant that works for us).

Dan
 
unfortunate


I dnt smoke weed but some of my friends do, just the other day they were discussing all these massive pesticide issues that are coming to light
 
Another good argument for national legalization

Weren't a lot of homemade spirits poisonous during the Prohibition?
 
Another good argument for national legalization

I agree. Somebody has to tell Trump it will be an easy way to get illegals to leave... :laughing
 
At every fisheries or wildlife conference over the last few years, there has been entire sessions dedicated to this. The effects on wildlife and habitat are huge. Hell, during the drought, the Eel River went completely dry due to illegal irrigation for pot farms.
 
The proposition passed. Why is this still an issue?

Oh, that's right, the libs in Sac only want to make things easy if it benefits them. This state is such a joke.
 
The proposition passed. Why is this still an issue? Oh, that's right, the libs in Sac only want to make things easy if it benefits them. This state is such a joke.

Mikey,
I am not clear on what issue / point you are making? The Pot Grows highlighted in the article linked are illegal pot grows. These would exist still if the "proposition" had not passed, so I am not understanding the relevance? From my perspective it would make sense for the marijuana lobby to advocate for a "tax" on the sale of marijuana with said revenue going towards funding the eradication and site cleanup of illegal farms. On the State Government front I do see fault in them forcing "all cash" transactions for personal and medical marijuana sales. Allowing CC purchases would help with tracking sales volume and collecting tax revenue, so I am not seeing how their current actions "make things easy". By all means please expound on your comment i.e. clarify your statement.

Thanks.
 
and we figured methamphetamine production messed up our surroundings! Hopefully the growers in this budding industry will value the environment over profit.
Unfortunately, capitalism does not have a good track record with putting the environment anywhere in the equation when in the pursuit of profits.

The only way to even get it into the equation is to have penalties that are large enough to impact their bottom line significantly. Unfortunately, government has proved itself to be quite incapable of doing that.

And in the case of illegal growers, that isn't even a factor.
 
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Way to turn it political dude.

Something to consider... a quote from "Vanessa Ives"

"I've always felt you have to name a thing before it comes to life, like a witch's spell." or in this case a political discussion :twofinger
 
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