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06 GSXR-750 vs. 06 ZX-6R

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2strokeYardSale

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Que es mas macho?

I regret selling my F4i. I just can't ride my TZ250 all day for two days; I need something more mellow.

Background: A group, casual racer (not on this bike), strong preference for smaller, good-handling bikes. I'm pretty much against anything over 600. 99% of the laps will be at Reno-Fernley Raceway. Some rare trips to Infineon, Thunderhill, and Miller.

I rode a 750 and it's tolerable, just a little portly. But I loved the ergonomics. The tank lets me get my upper body forward, which is very important to me. The suspension was nice and compliant.

Is the 750 going to be a tire $hredder?

I've never ridden a ZX-6R. Is the 636 tank going to prevent me from getting forward? Does the suspension handle bumps well without revalving? Did Kawi fix their transmission woes? Is there some wire jump trick needed to de-restrict it?
 
750 will be a better bike IMO and won't shred tires if you have a good right hand, although it will be more wear than then 600 but only marginally. As well there are a TON of parts available for the 750's which is a big plus in my book. As well the resale is excellent on the 750's as they are so popular.
 
^^ Yeah what Yody said. I want a 750 track-bike real bad. The 636 was to twitchy IMO. The 750's front end is glued to the ground.
 
Well from what I experienced the 750 is glued to the ground but at the expense of making it more difficult to steer on corner entry. However all that takes is a bit of seat time to get used too it and learn to adapt to that type of frontend.

The 636 will be easier to tip in but at the expense of a less stable and twitchier frontend.

Really depends on rider preference but either one will take a bit of rider-adaptation which is normal when jumping on a new bike
 
Twitchy meaning it headshakes accelerating over rough stuff? Or it feels light turning in?

Note my main ride is a 220 pound TZ250 with a 52.5" wheelbase and almost no steering rake, so I can handle a light feeling front end with a lot of feedback.
 
both, although I don't think its going to be a super big deal, the 636's have gotten better in the later models, but as a direct comparison between the 2 the 636 will feel lighter.
 
Well feeling lighter and easier on tires might seal the deal, unless the ergos prevent me body positioning like the R6 did.
 
Compromise and get a GSXR 600. You weren't happy with the tire wear you were getting on your F4i and going to a 750 is only going to make it worse. Especially when your lap times start dropping. The 600 will give you the exact same feeling as the 750 but with less tire wear.
 
Personally I'd go for the more solid frontend, I had my F4I raked to hell and it was the twitchiest, fastest steering bike in the entire world. I never thought I'd prefer a more solid frontend and swore by the quick steering F4I. Funny though ever since getting my 600RR which is SUPER stable but far from a fast steering bike I've found the solid planted bike is so much more forgiving and the stability has made me become a much more safe rider its not even funny. It did take me roughly 5-6 trackdays to sort it out and learn how to develop different skills to ride the bike.

I'd go with the 750
 
I ride both on a regular basis - I own the 750 and my good buddy has Berto's old 04 ZX6RR. I also ride an F4i on the street.

I don't find that I shred the tire any differently from the 600 to the 750 - both on Pirellis. What I do find is a lot more steam exiting the corners. The 750 is more like a 600 FX bike than a 1k.

The 750 has rock solid front end feel, even better than my old 600rr. On a comparative basis, the side-side transitions was simliar (I had the '03 600rr, the heaviest of the model designation), but as I've adjusted my geometry, the 750 is markedly better. The 6rr was completely set up when purchased and handled like a dream. The turn in is a bit better, but the feel when leaned over is less. On the 6rr you are "on" the bike, where as the 750 you are "in" the bike. The 600rr was pretty much a split of the difference and I'd say the f4i tilts slightly more towards the "in" than "on."

Overall I give up a smidge of turn-in over the 6rr for a butload more confidence through the midcorner with the 750. That confidence lets me open the throttle earlier and get into that massive powerband faster.
 
I ride a TZ too and have thought of what to get when the two stoke starts being too much to deal with. The idea I came up with is why not pick up an R6? That way you still have to only have yamaha parts in the parts bin, one stop shopping. I rode my TZ back to back with a couple of R6s and the suspension geometry is pretty close. I dunno...just a thought.
 
Yeah I want an R6 but no affordable 06+ models are available. The 03 (same as 04, 05?) fuel tank was like a tabletop to the chest preventing me from getting my weight forward.
 
What up 2stroke. Personal I like riding 750's. I tried Lazerus ZX600R bike at Reno but I can't ride the damn thing as well as he can. As far as the tire wear on the street the 750 is just fine. On the track it was a different story. I found that when you have a bike that hasn't had the rear shock serviced for 50,000 miles the rear end tends to spin up everywhere even when it has new shoes!!:thumbdown I talked with Phil with Aftershocks and I had him service the rear shock. After the service and new set of shoes the rear hardly spun up and had a better wear characteristics.:thumbup:teeth

Of course my suggestion is the 750 if your interested in learning a different animal.

Good luck on making your decision:ride
 
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All I know is that my 750 feels awesome at the track! 750FTW!!!
 
They don't call the 750 the cheater bike for nothin. There will be a learning curve but once that's over watch out.
 
I've ridden an '07 ZX6R(Keith Codes, a true 599) and an '07 750(mine) about 5 track days each. I like the Kawi a lot, a better track bike than my set-up F4i. Both bikes are stable in turn, the Kawi initiates a little better. The Kawi shifts very well, the "Jumper Mod" on the ECU supposedly gains up to 5 hp, possibly in model year 2005 to 2008, not sure. Kawi has a good grunty motor for a six hundred, but the 750 has more torque across a MUCH broader range. AT RFR 2 weeks ago, I only shifted out of second on the straight. I really dont push too hard on the 750, it's my street ride, and I leave speed on the table. It has been as good or better on tires than the F4i, again probably because I avoid the big twist. I would give the Zuke the prize here for brakes, the Kawi for gearbox. I think they are both great bikes, the hundo is a little more nimble, the 750 quite a bit more powerful.

This Middleweight shootout article had some info about the Kawi.
 
You can't make a post like that, and not throw up a photo, for shame. Is she all prepped for track?

I'll be taking your old girl out a week from tomorrow, I can't wait, might have to sneak it around the block again to tide me over.
 
I have to make a few changes but it's rideable.

Careful riding around the block; you wouldn't want to get it impounded.
 
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