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100 shot, 15 dead

Archimedes

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in Chicago over the holiday weekend. The population in Chicago is roughly equivalent to the population of SF, Oakland and San Jose proper, combined. If over this past weekend 100 people were shot in the Bay Area and 15 died, what would you think?

It's mind boggling to me. The National Guard needs to send troops into these neighborhoods to protect the law abiding citizens and put a stop to this insanity.
 
in Chicago over the holiday weekend. The population in Chicago is roughly equivalent to the population of SF, Oakland and San Jose proper, combined. If over this past weekend 100 people were shot in the Bay Area and 15 died, what would you think?

It's mind boggling to me. The National Guard needs to send troops into these neighborhoods to protect the law abiding citizens and put a stop to this insanity.

Wow. Thought this was about some Mosul suicide bombing or something. Think Chicago has more murders than next 2 highest cities combined?
 
Good thing Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation :thumbup

To Date 2017:
Shot & Killed: 326
Shot & Wounded: 1537
Total Shot: 1863
Total Homicides: 350

Final 2016 Totals
Shot & Killed: 718
Shot & Wounded: 3661
Total Shot: 4379
Total Homicides: 804
 
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Good thing Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation :thumbup

To Date:
Shot & Killed: 326
Shot & Wounded: 1537
Total Shot: 1863
Total Homicides: 350

Oh I agree.

I am so glad that no one can purchase or own a gun in Chicago and that Gun Control absolutely works.
:rolleyes
 
Oh and pretty sure Illinois is about to file a budgetary state of emergency. They may be filing bankruptcy soon.

Chicago is as corrupt as the get.
 
Someday Chicago will have a YT channel for their kill count like Arnie.

[youtube]M2zsKH5F1wU[/youtube]
 
* In 1982, the city of Chicago instituted a ban on handguns. This barred civilians from possessing handguns except for those registered with the city government prior to enactment of the law. The law also specified that such handguns had to be re-registered every two years or owners would forfeit their right to possess them. In 1994, the law was amended to require annual re-registration.[53] [54] [55]


* In the wake of Chicago’s handgun ban, at least five suburbs surrounding Chicago instituted similar handgun bans. When the Supreme Court overturned the District of Columbia’s handgun ban in June 2008, at least four of these suburbs repealed their bans.[56] [57] [58] [59] [60]


* In June 2010, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled (5 to 4) that Chicago’s ban was unconstitutional.[61] Thereafter, Chicago adopted gun ordinances that required licensees to have firearm range training but prohibited firing ranges within the city.[62] After an unfavorable federal court ruling, Chicago revised its regulations to permit firing ranges within the city, subject to “comprehensive” regulations.[63] As of January 2016, there were no firing ranges within the city limits.[64]


* In December 2012, a federal appellate court ruled that an Illinois law largely banning concealed carrying of firearms was unconstitutional.[65]


* In July 2013, Illinois passed a law that permits concealed carrying of handguns, making it the last state in the U.S. to allow concealed carry.[66] By the end of 2014, nearly 91,700 concealed carry permits had been issued in the state, and 26% of these permits were issued in Cook County, which includes Chicago.[67]


* During the periods before, during, and after this law, murder rates in Chicago and the entire United States were as follows:


Murder Rates in Chicago

[68]


* During the periods before and after this law, the portion of murders committed with handguns in Chicago were as follows:


Murder Rates in Chicago with Handguns

[69]


* From as far back in time as data is available (1965) until when Chicago’s handgun ban was enacted (1982), 48% of all murders in Chicago were committed with handguns.[70]


* During the period in which Chicago’s handgun ban was effective (1982 to 2010), 59% of all murders in Chicago were committed with handguns (data unavailable for 2000 to 2002).[71]


* During the seven years prior to when Chicago’s handgun ban was lifted, 71% of all murders in Chicago were committed with handguns.[72]


* In 2011, the Chicago Police Department made an “internal policy decision to discontinue” its murder analysis reports that provided data on total firearm and handgun murders. The Chicago Police Department expects to begin publishing these reports again in 2017.[73]
 
It's weird, I grew up (my teen years) running around the West side of Chicago. My whole family lives in between Montclare/Austin/Near West. It wasn't really until they started shutting down Henry Horner/Robert Taylor/Cabrini Green did the crime really start spreading. I left in the late 90s just when it was starting to become more visible.
 
* In 1982, the city of Chicago instituted a ban

I'm a noob generally about gun laws, but don't most of these show overturned laws? And, isn't it a typical argument by control advocates that Chicago is surrounded by areas of "easy" gun access, thereby negating the Chicago law's effects (although, this provides another good argument against gun laws generally)?

Anyway, I've seen nothing to show that gun laws work (for starters, comparison of crime rates in cities under differing laws), and some are seriously stupid.
 
I'm a noob generally about gun laws, but don't most of these show overturned laws? And, isn't it a typical argument by control advocates that Chicago is surrounded by areas of "easy" gun access, thereby negating the Chicago law's effects (although, this provides another good argument against gun laws generally)?

Anyway, I've seen nothing to show that gun laws work (for starters, comparison of crime rates in cities under differing laws), and some are seriously stupid.

As of today most of these have indeed been overturned. They have just introduced new laws to make ownership incredibly difficult. You must now take a firearms course :thumbup but it must be at a range :thumbup only no gun ranges exist in the city :laughing :thumbdown

And much like California's CCW rules, Illinois are equally if not more so impossible to get

Crimes of these nature cannot and will not ever be regulated with laws. These are cultural and it's hard to explain if you've never really witnessed/lived it.

I had never been in a fight, a real fight, until I moved to Chicago. I lasted all of 1 week before I was jumped at the local basketball court. It was 5 on 2 and the redneck in my brother and I (being from Georgia), wouldn't let us back down. The reason why we were jumped? Just because... ( I ended up attending class with 1 of them and this was literally the reasoning)
 
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And much like California's CCW rules, Illinois are equally if not more so impossible to get

Crimes of these nature cannot and will not ever be regulated with laws. These are cultural and it's hard to explain if you've never really witnessed/lived it.

So you feel there would be less murder if Chicago relaxed the its strict gun laws?
 
I really like Chicago. It saddens me that this is part of the reality of living there. When I was arriving for a convention last spring the cab driver and I had a conversation about the ungodly amount of violence and shootings.
 
Anyway, I've seen nothing to show that gun laws work (for starters, comparison of crime rates in cities under differing laws), and some are seriously stupid.

Gun laws are mostly put in place to placate the population that "something is being done" when in fact they are just placebos.

So you feel there would be less murder if Chicago relaxed the its strict gun laws?

The murder rate wouldn't change because the criminals using handguns (that are illegal) don't care about gun laws strict or otherwise. But some law abiding citizens would be able to defend themselves.
 
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