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2011 Honda CBR 250

CaliRVF said:
It wouldn't matter either way. We will never see small displacement bikes (Besides the kawi 250) here in the US. Consumers here cares too much about HP and how fast they can hit 180mph in a straight line.
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the other half is that the looks are HUGE with the consumers; look at the jump in popularity when kawi gave the ninja 250 a facelift.

consumers would be more accepting of the smaller displacement bikes if they didn't make them LOOK like smaller displacement bikes.
 
If that thing makes it to the US of A I'll eat my hat. There have been amazing high tech 250's for years but they never make it here.
 
Don't know that the American market is necessarily focused on straight horsepower and displacement numbers - I'd think it much more likely that it's the perception of value. They (we?) think about it as $/hp or $/cc, something absolutely consistent with buying 300 rolls of paper towels at a shot or 5 gallon buckets of drinks. I used to run in to the same mind set selling amplifiers. There was an expectation that a 10 watt amp should cost 1/10 the price of a 100 watt amp, even though the basic cost of parts & assembly for the 10 watter were more like 75% of the 100 watt. Never mind that the only use the amp would ever see was a bedroom/garage. I don't see anything on the horizon that will change this way of thinking, so no new small fun bikes for us.
 
If it makes it here, pricing will be like the upcoming 4-cylinder Ford Explorer. Pay more for less CCs. That would be awful.
 
If someone at Honda greenlighted that horrible $16,000 scooter bike thing they have that is godawful ugly and laughably expensive, why not bring over a $3999-4499 price point 250?

It doesn't have to have an aluminum spar frame, keep the ladderbox style, it would work as well, probably a lot better than the steel over the spine style of my 250R...
 
Audacious Nick said:
Now imagine this making 60hp and weighing in at 300lb wet.
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weak_link said:
Sounds like my KTM. :laughing
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:rofl EXACTLY what I was thinking. Although mine only dynoed at 54.3 HP.

They should just put a single cyl thumper into one of these small bikes. I mean they put a single in the RC8 and that turned out pretty friggin' awesome.
 
Ailiaw said:
:rofl EXACTLY what I was thinking. Although mine only dynoed at 54.3 HP.

They should just put a single cyl thumper into one of these small bikes. I mean they put a single in the RC8 and that turned out pretty friggin' awesome.
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Pretty sure I'm not hittin' 60 either but close enough for government work. :p
 
I want one! Oh and on the Hyosung, was considering that too for a while but figured I didn't want to chance it with some people complaining about reliability/quality issues.
 
Ailiaw said:
They should just put a single cyl thumper into one of these small bikes. I mean they put a single in the RC8 and that turned out pretty friggin' awesome.
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Moriwaki CRF250 motor puts out 31hp. That would spank a Ninja
 
NorCal_SV650S said:
If someone at Honda greenlighted that horrible $16,000 scooter bike thing they have that is godawful ugly and laughably expensive, why not bring over a $3999-4499 price point 250?

It doesn't have to have an aluminum spar frame, keep the ladderbox style, it would work as well, probably a lot better than the steel over the spine style of my 250R...
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Honda decides what the consumer should want and then plows blithely ahead with whatever jackassery they've decided we need. VTEC?, linked brakes? giant cruiser/scooter abortion thing? bloat monster VFR? NT700? who the fuck was clamoring for any of these things?
 
Chim Chim said:
Honda decides what the consumer should want and then plows blithely ahead with whatever jackassery they've decided we need. VTEC?, linked brakes? giant cruiser/scooter abortion thing? bloat monster VFR? NT700? who the fuck was clamoring for any of these things?
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middle America.
 
keep in mind the current ninja 250r for america is only available with carbs just to keep the cost down...the FI version cost more ($500+) which is available in europe but the american market complain too much about price to bring them over for kawasaki...
 
Japan builds great bikes but they are not wired in to what Americans want. On the top of the list is a big bore high performance standard. Not the 550 pound bikes like a FZ1 or Bandit 1250 but a GSXR1000 with a regular pair of handlebars. Then the small bikes. The little Ninja is a fluke, it's popular because Kawasaki didn't give up on it and has been making something similar almost forever but the market is small, Americans just don't want small bikes. When I ride my 250 to the local hangouts, I'm the only 250 out of 30 or more bikes, not good.
The other bike I think would work is a nice 500 four sport or sporty bike, it might just be time to revive the 500 class, it would be plenty fast but not as powerful as the 600s. New riders would like it and so would I.
I'm not that disappointed, there are still really good bikes out there like the FZ6, FZ6R, Ninja 250, SV, Vstrom and others....

Thanx, Russ
 
My 250 is a commuter bike, when I go hang out, I'm driving :p
 
V4 said:
if it's fuel injected , it may cost around $5,000-$,6000 and it may be a hard sell for the american market due to all the cheap ass 5 foot nothing munchkins who are already bitching and crying about the cost of the ninja 250 at $4000 wanting to buy it for the same price as a scooter found in ghetto chinatown or manila....
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You are exactly right, but for the same money honda can put in a 450 instead. If they put out a 450 for the same money I bet nobody would complain. You can buy an 883 sportster for 7k brand new and as much as I hate harleys it makes more sense than buying a 250 for the street. 250s belong on the track. Or if Honda can put out a 4 cylinder 250 that revs to 20k and makes 40+horsepower it would also justify the price.
 
Var said:
You are exactly right, but for the same money honda can put in a 450 instead. If they put out a 450 for the same money I bet nobody would complain. You can buy an 883 sportster for 7k brand new and as much as I hate harleys it makes more sense than buying a 250 for the street. 250s belong on the track. Or if Honda can put out a 4 cylinder 250 that revs to 20k and makes 40+horsepower it would also justify the price.
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Good point.

Even a 350 would be enough differentiation and justify the higher price.

But, as others have said, Honda has done some very curious and dumb things these last few years.
 
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