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5 dead in fatal motorcycle crash

Gixxergirl1000 said:
Since I have emergency first aid training, I would have to stop and help... catching the guy who caused it would be nice, but not at the expense of someone's life. I hope to god I'm never in that situation... RIP Riders... :rose



Obviously C. Keep as far to the right as possible, and hard on the brakes, and hope to god the asswipe making the shitty pass doesn't force me off the road.
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Yep. And if you then still need to move to the right and off the road, you're then going much slower and there's less chance of going out of control or damaging your vehicle.
 
Gnarly Cranium said:
What's the problem? :dunno
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For one thing, in your zeal to be "right," you manufacture an elastic collision scenario when it was anything but. That concept was probably covered in the units you took and by not taking this into account, you prove incomplete understanding, despite education.

You're trying to stack the deck by ignoring the deformation of each vehicle, the conversion of kinetic energy to heat, the probability that bodies separated from bikes and flew off at tangents and a multitude of other things that would substantially alter the outcome to the extent that it's possible for an oncoming car to collect five bikes that were riding at otherwise reasonable following distances.

I get the desire to see this as avoidable. It's probably true that if the bikes followed each other at a greater distance, five of them wouldn't be dead. In fact, the collision might not have happened at all, as the Honda may have been able to pass each bike one at a time, instead of as a group. The riders would of course also be alive had they stayed home.

None of this speaks to fault. The fault lies with the guy who initiated a pass he could not complete safely. And while a somewhat rare occurrence, this could happen to you.
 
MysterYvil said:
No "WTF" necessary; it's a Brown81 thing...check out his posts on related subjects.
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MysterYvil said:
No, I think that a couple of newspaper stories don't necessarily indicate an official LEO policy.

(And the riders were probably clogging the lane anyway, so you probably figure they got was was coming to them... :thumbup)
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What the fuck are you talking about? What in the world would make you say that I think "they got what was coming to them"?

That's just a fucked up cowardly thing to say. Nowhere did I even insinuate that because that is the last think I believe.

A Brown81 thing? Post up examples right now. Lame dude. Really lame smear attempt there.

:thumbdown:thumbdown
 
2strokeYardSale said:
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
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Not necessarily...

I just got off the phone with my grandfather (a retired FL cop). Apparently SOP (at least in FL to the 80s) was to arrest anyone involved in a fatal incident if they exhibited signs or evidence of possible intoxication (i.e., alcohol on the breath, et cetera). Often it was difficult for a cop in the field to determine legal impairment, especially if that someone had been injured and could not undergo a standard field sobriety test.

Actual lab results might later exonerate the arrestee (in which cases the charges were dropped), but if they didn't arrest then all hell broke loose; the defense attorneys would have a field day, the prosecutors would have their cases gimped, and the liability guys would fight like sharks.

(And an interesting note: at least in FL, blood tests for marijuana intoxication were not time-accurate enough to determine whether a given person was intoxicated at the time of the incident; they could only determine whether a given person had partaken at some indeterminate point in the recent past. I wonder if this technology has changed?)
 
Entoptic said:
Awesome news! It is a shame that now it seems both cagers were DUI.
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Cager 2 (the one in the Dodge) WAS NOT DUI. He was held and released. He is a victim of Cager 1 and not only does he have to live with the horrific accident but he no longer has a wife to share his grief.
 
Brown81 said:
What the fuck are you talking about? What in the world would make you say that I think "they got what was coming to them"?

That's just a fucked up cowardly thing to say. Nowhere did I even insinuate that because that is the last think I believe.

A Brown81 thing? Post up examples right now. Lame dude. Really lame smear attempt there.

:thumbdown:thumbdown
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Among other examples, "Tailgaters" thread anyone? :rofl
 
tzrider said:
For one thing, in your zeal to be "right," you manufacture an elastic collision scenario when it was anything but. That concept was probably covered in the units you took and by not taking this into account, you prove incomplete understanding, despite education.

You're trying to stack the deck by ignoring the deformation of each vehicle, the conversion of kinetic energy to heat, the probability that bodies separated from bikes and flew off at tangents and a multitude of other things that would substantially alter the outcome to the extent that it's possible for an oncoming car to collect five bikes that were riding at otherwise reasonable following distances.
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I was actually rather surprised that my estimate matched up even remotely with the number of injured, because I was aware that I'm ballparking it really roughly. Energy lost to deformation and heat is still energy lost that slows things down. Pieces spinning away would not be slowing the car down as much, sure. There's all sorts of lateral forces that I just threw out the window in the interest of simplicity, you bet. Yes, I'm assuming here that those variables could not possibly be significant enough to allow a car to continue hurtling straight down the road at 65mph for 10 seconds while it plows through 5 bikes over 1000ft of pavement. Even if the car was intentionally trying to do so, it doesn't seem realistically possible unless it's got a rocket on the back. If you can put together an inelastic picture of the situation I'd be really interested to see it. Might be a subject for another thread or PMs or something though.

I get the desire to see this as avoidable. It's probably true that if the bikes followed each other at a greater distance, five of them wouldn't be dead. In fact, the collision might not have happened at all, as the Honda may have been able to pass each bike one at a time, instead of as a group. The riders would of course also be alive had they stayed home.

None of this speaks to fault. The fault lies with the guy who initiated a pass he could not complete safely. And while a somewhat rare occurrence, this could happen to you.
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Total agreement there.
 
Jesus Tapdancing Christ, this just keeps getting better...
Carlos Ramirez Bobadilla, 36, of Mexicali, Mexico, was arrested Saturday at a hospital for investigation of misdemeanor drunken driving, but he was not booked into a jail. He was technically released from custody on Sunday, although he remained hospitalized in San Diego with a fractured head and leg and a scalp laceration, California Highway Patrol Officer DeAnn Goudie said.

"He was coming out of surgery and an officer thought he smelled a faint odor of alcohol on his person" about five hours after the crash, Goudie said. "He was never physically booked and handcuffed. He was just in his hospital bed."​
:rolleyes
 
DataDan said:
Jesus Tapdancing Christ,

"He was coming out of surgery and an officer thought he smelled a faint odor of alcohol on his person" about five hours after the crash, Goudie said. "He was never physically booked and handcuffed. He was just in his hospital bed."[/i]
:rolleyes
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Don't they use isopropyl alcohol during surgery? That stuff smells like alcohol! :toothless
 
Yup, that's why the BAC test wasn't made public now, it will be available in two weeks ... they need to sweep under the rug the fact that it's 0.00% and they lied about smelling alcohol on the breath to invent probable cause for arrest.

It would seem to me somebody who lost control of his vehicle and killed four people is cause enough to arrest for suspicion of reckless driving or vehicular manslaughter but nooooooooo, it's all about the evil alcohol.
 
Is there any possible way to keep the conspiracy theories to a minimum?
 
Hey, stop that! I was totally digging that 4-second-spacing line of reasoning, and how the last rider would arrive half a minute after the first impact.
 
ST Guy said:
Yep. And if you then still need to move to the right and off the road, you're then going much slower and there's less chance of going out of control or damaging your vehicle.
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That was my thinking.


And the next time we're all out riding with our friends, slabbin' it to get to the good stuff... WATCH YOUR GROUPINGS. Let's allow a little more room for asshattery from asswipes in cages... I've stood over the dead body on the side of the road of someone who mattered to me a lot, and it FUCKING SUCKS. So let's all try to be careful, be situationally aware, and give ourselves a little room to maneuver in the event things go horribly, horribly wrong.
Be careful, everyone. Life is short...
 
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