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7 bikes going down from oil trap

louemc

louemc

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The great picture of the streak of oil across the road where visability is shortened with a bank where the road bends, brings up another subject.

That hazard even though it was intensionally laid down, isn't overwhelming.

It only becomes overwhelming to a type of rider.

Does identifying, and describing the mind set of that type of rider, make a worthwhile subject to discuss? In the interest of promoting a mind set that a higher skilled, and safety conscious rider will work at, and raise the chances of staying healthy at?

I know some BARF members know and practice this.

It may be a lost cause to bring it up, the ones that know, don't need it, and a lot of the not knowing's, defend not knowing, so..... will denial prevail, or get exposed?

Lets see :x
 
im a little confused? first of thats not a great picture and are you saying if they were a safe and cautious rider doing the speed limit they wouldnt have gone down?
 
ya know I looked at that and thought WTF?, is it really that hard to ride through?
 
Ever actually ridden through a patch of oil???
 
Where's the thread with the pic?
 
fyi

My post is not in defense of the rider you perceive in your mind, only to address a small patch of oil.

Years ago, I was making a slow right hand turn at a signal intersection when my front wheel went whoosh and disappeared from under me. The culprit? Someone had left the adjacent corner gas station with a full tank of gas. You could see the snail trail of the as yet evaporated fuel from the station, across five lanes (illegally) and into the right hand turn bay in which I laid down the bike.

It was just a little petrol. I was riding ridiculously slow.

That little bit of oil on 84 could easily dump a sedate paced rider. Oil on asphalt or concrete is remarkably slippery. Keystone Kops, Three Stooges, Jackass, banana peel slick in comparison to wet pavement. That's my experience. Try it, you won't like it.
 
the o.p. sounds like he was stoned when he typed out this thread.


But I am guessing he is saying that oil on the road can be avoided....or at least avoid going down....

In answer to this I recall a time twenty years ago in a carport complex there was oil on a turn. I did not see it as i turned through it at five mph....the wheels just slid right out in a millisecond. at putt putt speed.



now im sure you may get lucky once going straight with momentum through an oil patch....BUT....

If you are going through a turn while leaning bike and there is a DELIBERATE oil trap.......there aint no way no human being alive can recover in turn under lean on a huge oil trap......


youve gotta be a complete idiot to assume you can survive that. and if that oil trap if in a right hander people are likely to die in head on collisions.
 
Janna said:
Ever actually ridden through a patch of oil???
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I started riding in Alaska on Ice. Ride in Utah or Idaho, as they come out of winter, and you will be on dry (but cold) pavement and encounter patches of Ice.

There is a technique in crossing slick as ice and or Oil. It also gets used on wet cattle crossings and steel plates put down for road projects, and wet painted turn arrows. It's all part of dealing with what comes up.

Your not asking like you want to know, your just asking to challenge.
 
yea the technique is called riding completely upright and not hitting gas or brakes and clench your butthole as tight as possible.


try doing that in a blind turn leaning. :rolleyes :thumbdown
 
louemc said:
I started riding in Alaska on Ice. Ride in Utah or Idaho, as they come out of winter, and you will be on dry (but cold) pavement and encounter patches of Ice.

There is a technique in crossing slick as ice and or Oil. It also gets used on wet cattle crossings and steel plates put down for road projects, and wet painted turn arrows. It's all part of dealing with what comes up.

Your not asking like you want to know, your just asking to challenge.
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:rolleyes
 
kyles here said:
better yet....ever STEPPED in a patch of oil? now imagine going 35mph on a bike(the speed limit) while leaned over
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Yeha..I have. You'll hit the ground so fast there is no way in hell anyone can save it. The only thing you can do is be observant enough to see it and avoid it....if that's even possible given the circumstances at the time.
 
kyles here said:
better yet....ever STEPPED in a patch of oil? now imagine going 35mph on a bike(the speed limit) while leaned over
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You don't have to be leaned over. What your bike is doing (the line it is on, lean or no lean, power on, or neutral, or off. Brakes on or off, everything is (for some) controllable.
 
Nice try OP, but misguided. That oil strip would've taken out just about anyone who came across it unsuspecting. I put my car into a gas pump pole once on less oil than that. Oil is very slick.

During one of my track days at Laguna last year I was sliding my bike all over the place through the first lap of the first session, finally nearly highsiding out of the bottom of the corkscrew when my rear stepped out about 2 feet. I'm thinking, 'holy shit my tires are cold!' Then I realize 'holy shit, the guy in front of me is dropping oil on the track!' Wasn't much at all, but it was enough to have me wrestling my bike to keep it upright.
 
louemc said:
You don't have to be leaned over. What your bike is doing (the line it is on, lean or no lean, power on, or neutral, or off. Brakes on or off, everything is (for some) controllable.
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That's true. They could have taken the turn upright and ridden straight into the guardrail. Or you could take every corner on 84 at 15 mph and make lots of friends up there.
 
I don't know, when someone's water pump blows driving down the road it can leave a puddle/slippery spot that's really hard to see... as does deisel, so I think it really is situational.
 
just as a reference this is the turn....you try not being leaned over

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Zed10R said:
Yeha..I have. You'll hit the ground so fast there is no way in hell anyone can save it. The only thing you can do is be observant enough to see it and avoid it....if that's even possible given the circumstances at the time.
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Avoiding it is usually best choice.
It can be crossed, very safely on a line that takes you to the far side of the road, before crossing starts, and crosses totally up-right, and neutral to as far as that line allows, than resume the turn.
 
ok even if the some miraculously rode THROUGH it upright as soon as they lean over and get back on the gas guess whats going to happen......
 
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