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Another Poitential BART Stike, Dø Wē Stîll Nöt Gívë ã Füčk?

RRR70 said:
Not gonna happen.

P.S. In the remote chance it will, I'll buy you a bottle of Riga.
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:love

I would break my no-drinking for some riga.

(it isn't booze, it is medicine)
 
wazzuFreddo said:
You don't get to rebuild that tower that someone cut down the other day?
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Nahh, I sold my soul to an online company, and don't have to do that any more professionally (still on the hook for a lot of amateur radio related stuff, though), but I should share some pics with you sometime.

I had a site like that a few years ago where copper thieves dropped the tower for the feedline, cut all the power cabling out of the site, and torched it.

They were gone in the 45 minutes it took the cops to get out there.

Millions of dollars in damage to the site. We gave up and never rebuilt it, not enough revenue. Shit like that really makes me :mad
 
am I the only one who feels like going to BART and being like "I will do anything you want for like 15k a year"

because I bust my ass, make overtime and get 0 benefits for like 12k a year right now.

Unions are great for protecting worker's rights, but when it comes down to strongarming employers into giving them what is essentially more pay for no improvement just because, it's hard to see them as the good guys.

Reminds me of watching road construction workers. 6 are getting paid, one is doing work, and the other 5 stand around and watch.


As for giving a shit? I go to the city maybe once or twice a year on BART. It hasn't affected me yet but if they strike, then oh well, guess I'm taking the bike. It'll probably be cheaper anyway.
 
Marlowe said:
Nahh, I sold my soul to an online company, and don't have to do that any more professionally (still on the hook for a lot of amateur radio related stuff, though), but I should share some pics with you sometime.

I had a site like that a few years ago where copper thieves dropped the tower for the feedline, cut all the power cabling out of the site, and torched it.

They were gone in the 45 minutes it took the cops to get out there.

Millions of dollars in damage to the site. We gave up and never rebuilt it, not enough revenue. Shit like that really makes me :mad
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I need to practice the amature radio stuff. All I have is a handheld, need to get something for my home and an antenna up on the roof.

Had copper thieves steal a ground grid at a substation, that was a dangerous situation.

And to get this back on topic:

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Hence the reason to leave the BART trains in worse shape then when you got on the train. Once one person of courage breaks one public union, that will begin to set the example nation wide...
 
I'd love to see the strike broken and the back of the union. Public unions are a plague AS they are now.
 
Same here, Ernie. Unions were absolutely required at the time they were created, but now they only serve to drive up prices and drive jobs elsewhere. :thumbup
 
Lunch Box said:
Same here, Ernie. Unions were absolutely required at the time they were created, but now they only serve to drive up prices and drive jobs elsewhere. :thumbup
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I have no problem with unions in the private sector. In the public sector the corrupt connection between union votes and politicians' campaign coffers is total. The pols pay off the public service unions with taxpayer money in return for votes.
 
I have a problem with both, but I agree that the public unions are far and away more detrimental.
 
afm199 said:
I have no problem with unions in the private sector. In the public sector the corrupt connection between union votes and politicians' campaign coffers is total. The pols pay off the public service unions with taxpayer money in return for votes.
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There is a healthy adversarial relationship between a private business and a union. There is a very unhealthy relationship between a public agency and a union.

There are no public unions just unions. They make their money by taking it from the union members.
 
JesasaurusRex said:
i agree on all points, the problem is that the positives (not being stuck in traffic, paying a billion dollars to cross the bridge, fuel prices, etc etc) still outweigh all the negatives for most people, and who's to blame them? So fuckin shitty trying to drive in and out of the city during commute hours, you'll gladly pay your extra $4 after the increase to still not have to deal with it. This will keep on going on for a while.
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1. will the market bear an increase? yes.
2. for all the supposed free market lovers out there, i'm surprised at the angst.

i think the source of angst is when people try to oversimiplify problems to something familiar, like supply and demand graphs. BART and everything around it ain't no simple x-y chart, boys and girls. it's a complex sale.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_sales
 
cleverusername said:
1. will the market bear an increase? yes.
2. for all the supposed free market lovers out there, i'm surprised at the angst.

i think the source of angst is when people try to oversimiplify problems to something familiar, like supply and demand graphs. BART and everything around it ain't no simple x-y chart, boys and girls. it's a complex sale.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_sales
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The issue is that this is not a free market situation. It's a gubment/union situation, which is entirely different. Break the union and it moves a lot closer to a free market item.
 
cleverusername said:
1. will the market bear an increase? yes.
2. for all the supposed free market lovers out there, i'm surprised at the angst.

i think the source of angst is when people try to oversimiplify problems to something familiar, like supply and demand graphs. BART and everything around it ain't no simple x-y chart, boys and girls. it's a complex sale.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_sales
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Commuters haven't gotten a raise like that in years, you think they can pay for indefinite hikes?

Doesn't work like that. There is no free manna from the heavens.

:laughing
 
Lunch Box said:
The issue is that this is not a free market situation. It's a gubment/union situation, which is entirely different. Break the union and it moves a lot closer to a free market item.
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there is spectrum, as this is real life. how about boeing and airbus? or farm subsidies? or the labor market that provides workers at below market rates?

and who is to say that it isn't a free market? no one is forced to ride BART, yet ridership continues and increases.
 
cleverusername said:
1. will the market bear an increase? yes.
2. for all the supposed free market lovers out there, i'm surprised at the angst.

i think the source of angst is when people try to oversimiplify problems to something familiar, like supply and demand graphs. BART and everything around it ain't no simple x-y chart, boys and girls. it's a complex sale.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_sales
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that's not how wages are supposed to be set in a free market. In fact, a minimum wage is contrary to a free market where labor rates seek a bid/ ask relationship. In short; there's plenty of people who would do the job of BART workers for even half of their current wages...meaning there is no increase needed, period.
 
Holeshot said:
that's not how wages are supposed to be set in a free market. In fact, a minimum wage is contrary to a free market where labor rates seek a bid/ ask relationship. In short; there's plenty of people who would do the job of BART workers for even half of their current wages...meaning there is no increase needed, period.
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there's a lot of discussion about how things are supposed to be. yet life is not that way. i wonder when people will finally realize that.

btw, our economy is not set up as a pure 100% free market economy. so, it is in fact functioning as designed.
 
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