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Anyone going to Sturgis on a sports bike next month?

budman said:
So far the fall out is less than I thought, but tracking the independant biker community is not easy. I am sure some with get it and no one will ever know and who they spread it to wont' be evident either.

Again.. I think we won't have a data set that is probable for months.

I am glad to see it has not apparently been a super spreader event... yet.

I still get the total reason to NOT go for the betterment of society.
Same reason we cancelled 5 barf rallies in 2020.

Consider it adulting.
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Agreed. :thumbup
 
For me, it's only about consideration for others. We go shopping during the week, during the day. It's easy to keep distance and I don't worry about catching it myself, but I do it for others, because why wouldn't I want to slightly inconvenience myself to help others? It's pretty funny when certain folks complain about the divide in one part of the forum and then show off their creatine individualism in other areas of the forum.
 
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HadesOmega said:
It affects people differently. Some people get very sick and some people don't. I don't care if I die, but if I get it and infect other people and they die, that's something I don't wanna live with.
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byke said:
For me, it's only about consideration for others. We go shopping during the week, during the day. It's easy to keep distance and I don't worry about catching it myself, but I do it for others, because why wouldn't I want to slightly inconvenience myself to help others?
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This, in a couple of nutshells. The whole idea of wearing masks, at least initially, was so pre and asymptomatic people wouldn't spread it to others. It's just common courtesy to your fellow man. And that's why I don't get the whole "I'm not scared" thing. Not scared of what? Spreading it to your elderly parents, not scared of giving it to your neighbor on chemo?
 
jbawden said:
What do you shutdown ambassadors do for a living? I'm envious of your shutdown until there is a cure position. Does the federal debt load matching our annual GDP not factor at ALL into your view of the world? Does the looming layoff cliff not concern you in the least? Imploding industries don't give you pause to think maybe there is a middle ground? With a few exceptions this place is so caught up in the prevailing group think that critical thinking skills have been tabled for the sake of flaming anyone with a differing, perhaps broader view of a path forward.
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When you get right down to it, this is what the whole difference of opinion(s) is really about, isn’t it?

If you’re able to work from home, or already retired and don’t need to work, you have the luxury of believing the science that supports a general shutdown in order to bring the pandemic to heel. And you’ll be able to continue working and earning your living and paying your bills, although your spend on vacations and restaurant meals may be greatly curtailed. (Bummer).

If, on the other hand, you own a business or work for one that cannot function under lockdown, and therefore your ability to make ends meet is cut, then obviously you’re going to subscribe to messaging and the alternative narrative that supports the notion of letting things roll and aiming for herd immunity sooner than later.

Around the world different countries have taken a variety of different approaches. In some countries (those, you know, horrible socialist ones), they have always had a public safety net in place that provides for people who can’t work and need financial assistance. So restaurant and retail shop workers are continuing to get at least a portion of their regular wages so they can continue to pay the rent and buy groceries.

Other countries (Sweden for instance) initially took the herd immunity approach, and more recently have accepted that that ended up not working out so well.

Regardless of approach, I think it’s important to separate out the scientific and medical reality of what’s happening from the social/political decisions and fallout.

The reality is that this isn’t the flu. All one has to do is see the stealth YouTube videos of healthcare workers in hospitals, or pictures of the makeshift refrigerated truck morgues in hospital parking lots, or the temporary infirmaries built from tents at San Quentin on the baseball field to realize that this isn’t like anything anyone has ever seen before. You don’t do those things for the flu. Period.

After that, the challenge becomes a bit of a dilemma, particularly for those who back the current administration. Do they accept the “there’s no problem here - it’s over folks” story, and endorse going back to work right now? See previous paragraph - refrigerated truck morgues. Or do they endorse a continuation of workers comp relief checks to help those who can’t work make ends meet? See previous paragraph - the evil socialism!

It’s a bit of an ideological pickle, I’d say, for some. Doesn’t diminish the real pain and suffering that so many households are living through right now. Does make me wonder, though, whether now might be a good time to reconsider what all the options are; and which ones make the most sense for everyone.
 
ThinkFast said:
When you get right down to it, this is what the whole difference of opinion(s) is really about, isn’t it?

YUP

If you’re able to work from home, or already retired and don’t need to work, you have the luxury of believing the science that supports a general shutdown in order to bring the pandemic to heel. And you’ll be able to continue working and earning your living and paying your bills, although your spend on vacations and restaurant meals may be greatly curtailed. (Bummer).
Continuing to work. Harder than before and making way less money. Employees working at 50-90% depending on the work load. There has been some weeks where guys had zero. We still paid a minimum of 5 hours to keep there status. Just laid off our bookeeper after 5 months of paying her to do nothing.

If, on the other hand, you own a business or work for one that cannot function under lockdown, and therefore your ability to make ends meet is cut, then obviously you’re going to subscribe to messaging and the alternative narrative that supports the notion of letting things roll and aiming for herd immunity sooner than later.

Many do I am sure. Not all.

Around the world different countries have taken a variety of different approaches. In some countries (those, you know, horrible socialist ones), they have always had a public safety net in place that provides for people who can’t work and need financial assistance. So restaurant and retail shop workers are continuing to get at least a portion of their regular wages so they can continue to pay the rent and buy groceries.

Other countries (Sweden for instance) initially took the herd immunity approach, and more recently have accepted that that ended up not working out so well.

Regardless of approach, I think it’s important to separate out the scientific and medical reality of what’s happening from the social/political decisions and fallout.

YUP and that is frustrating.

The reality is that this isn’t the flu. All one has to do is see the stealth YouTube videos of healthcare workers in hospitals, or pictures of the makeshift refrigerated truck morgues in hospital parking lots, or the temporary infirmaries built from tents at San Quentin on the baseball field to realize that this isn’t like anything anyone has ever seen before. You don’t do those things for the flu. Period.

YUP

After that, the challenge becomes a bit of a dilemma, particularly for those who back the current administration. Do they accept the “there’s no problem here - it’s over folks” story, and endorse going back to work right now? See previous paragraph - refrigerated truck morgues. Or do they endorse a continuation of workers comp relief checks to help those who can’t work make ends meet? See previous paragraph - the evil socialism!

It’s a bit of an ideological pickle, I’d say, for some. Doesn’t diminish the real pain and suffering that so many households are living through right now. Does make me wonder, though, whether now might be a good time to reconsider what all the options are; and which ones make the most sense for everyone.
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Sure is a pickle and we don't get to decide for ourselves in so many ways.

I am so grateful to SLO for turning me on to the TWIV podcasts. I learn way more there than from the news or other sources in terms of progess towards a vaccine and ramifications for most of us.

The college swarm is happening and as more open it will continue.
Younger kids back to school might see a similar uptick as well. I would think so.

Man... I am no expert on any of this like most of you.
Kind of do what I think is right for society and my own family.

My kids seem lucky to be working and most are at home doing it, but one daughter is going a bit crazy at home with two young kids. She is a school teacher and her pay will stop soon or she will have to go back to teach. Right now she does not know how she could with a baby and 3 yo. They just bought a house and facing not working is going to hurt them bad. She will have to figure out how to get some income coming in. My only worry as a parent as far as an economical one.

I know for me working 7 days a week is beginning to consume me.
Friends with corp jobs get a weekend for whatever that is worth these days but some are riding and that is worth a ton!

Happy Friday does not mean shit to me anymore because every day is Monday. :laughing


Just one example of regular struggles people are going through.
 
Not new, from May 28th, but to me it indicates even if you were able to open a sit down restaurant, and keep it open without employees getting sick and thus possible forcing another shut down, you wouldn't make any money.

Restaurants run on very thin margins.

https://trulyexperiences.com/blog/dining-out-survey-covid-19/

The ONLY restaurants doing well, and by that I mean same or better sales than last year, are fast food restaurants with Drive Thrus.

My wife and her sisters are landlords of a name brand fast food burger restaurant and its sales are 16.5 percent higher than 2018 sales, (that store was closed last year for remodeling July/August last year).

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The guy at the end was like almost half decent. Just needed the black guy to give him some perspective and then he started understanding.

Saying "blue lives don't matter" at somewhere like Sturgis is pretty brave and commendable.
 
Izzy_C said:
The guy at the end was like almost half decent. Just needed the black guy to give him some perspective and then he started understanding.

Saying "blue lives don't matter" at somewhere like Sturgis is pretty brave and commendable.
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Agree the last dude had some intelligent chat and seemed cool, but I don’t think the BLDM statement is commendable. Far from it.

Because you take job your life does not matter?? There are a lot of wives or husbands and kids that would disagree with you. I do.

Smash Allen said:
That video makes me want to go more now :laughing :ride
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Yeah right!!! Me too :laughing
 
I agree, Dennis.
Some of us have jobs that put us in harms way but it's often our loved ones that pay a bigger price.
 
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I'm not on FB so I'm assuming everyone but me has seen this meme before.

I just found it hilarious...and telling.

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gixxerjeff's point about other activities are probably a factor, but there were many other destinations in August, so I don't know the extent of Sturgis, but I don't think it was insignificant. Here is another map, 7 day average, from New Cases yesterday. North and South Dakota are definitely the nation's hotspot for new cases with Iowa just behind. We're right at the 3 week mark of the end of the Sturgis Rally.
 

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gixxerjeff's point about other activities are probably a factor, but there were many other destinations in August, so I don't know the extent of Sturgis, but I don't think it was insignificant. Here is another map, 7 day average, from New Cases yesterday. North and South Dakota are definitely the nation's hotspot for new cases with Iowa just behind. We're right at the 3 week mark of the end of the Sturgis Rally.
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Well, if contact tracing after a wedding a month ago is any indication, one would expect an impact.

Whether we'll find out or not is another matter.

Or maybe Sturgis and the RNC are the "reality" showing little impact.

Coronavirus cases tied to a Maine wedding reception hit 147, with 3 deaths
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