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Anyone know the official cause of death of Simoncelli?

Gnarly Cranium said:
Okay. So what, exactly, is the point of statements like that?

In thread after thread, there'll be some active discussion going on, and then some wiseass strolls in and says "Harumph, nobody here knows what they're talking about, harumph" and strolls back out again.

You know what? Most people don't know EVERYTHING. So we talk about it. Hopefully the discussions are constructive on some level. Walking in and saying 'nobody here knows what they're talking about' is not constructive, it's self-important hot air that contributes nothing.

If the thread is so completely mindless, then close it. Or contribute. Or leave it alone.
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Why so serious?

I think his point was to add something useful or don't post at all. In a subject this sensitive, there really shouldn't be any discussion on what you think might be the cause of death... Google has the answers and it's not something anyone should or could speculate.
 
Dianoetic said:
Why so serious?
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Seems like a lot of threads I've been reading lately have those sorts of posts in them-- somebody posts solely to say 'you guys don't know what you're talking about' but doesn't offer anything to back it up. No corrections, no counter-arguments, no educational information. Just hot air and smugness. Then to have moderators acting like that's a useful post... it mystifies me.

Also, saying 'why so serious' and then saying 'this topic is too serious' is a bit odd as well. :dunno
 
Gnarly Cranium said:
Seems like a lot of threads I've been reading lately have those sorts of posts in them-- somebody posts solely to say 'you guys don't know what you're talking about' but doesn't offer anything to back it up. No corrections, no counter-arguments, no educational information. Just hot air and smugness. Then to have moderators acting like that's a useful post... it mystifies me.

Also, saying 'why so serious' and then saying 'this topic is too serious' is a bit odd as well. :dunno
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Understood. Although, it is true and you don't need to know the cause of death to figure that one out. When everyone is posting different things, the majority of those answers must be incorrect.

And there's a difference between being serious about a posted response due to incorrect information and seriousness about the subject itself.

Just sayin' :teeth

and enough on that.

As far as cause of death, I think it should be blatantly obvious. Be it injuries to the head, spine, or whatever else, the cause is still from impact.
 
Gnarly Cranium said:
Okay. So what, exactly, is the point of statements like that?

In thread after thread, there'll be some active discussion going on, and then some wiseass strolls in and says "Harumph, nobody here knows what they're talking about, harumph" and strolls back out again.

You know what? Most people don't know EVERYTHING. So we talk about it. Hopefully the discussions are constructive on some level. Walking in and saying 'nobody here knows what they're talking about' is not constructive, it's self-important hot air that contributes nothing.

If the thread is so completely mindless, then close it. Or contribute. Or leave it alone.
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Discussion, speculation, wonder, or even wild-ass-guesses are expected.
Reread the thread. There are many here blindly guessing, a few speculating, and at least one person telling it like it is as if they were there and privy to the actual data. What I think many find annoying is when self-important blowhards stroll into the thread and start speaking with authority like they are the SME. That is the hot air that contributes nothing.
 
Enchanter said:
What I think many find annoying is when self-important blowhards stroll into the thread and start speaking with authority like they are the SME. That is BARF
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FTFY
 
Oh good grief people...it's no different than if any of us were in an accident and non-certified personnel evacuated us for care as the marshals did in this case - not just any Joe Schmo can declare a person dead which is why it took them some 45 minutes to confirm the news. It does not mean he was alive for that time - any more than Kennedy was alive leaving Daly Plaza.

As for the injuries, the news reports have stated clearly that he had major chest, neck and head trauma any of which were potentially fatal. Personally I'd be rather astonished if ANY helmet stayed on after being hit and run over by a fast-moving motorcycle.

We should just celebrate him riding the @$%@$ out of that bike and that a talented young rider just starting to find his own lost his life.
 
Traq said:
You've never forgotten to strap your helmet on, have you? You'd know the answer to that question without even thinking it if you did. Try it some time and see how it feels even at 20mph...just not on the public roads because it's illegal to ride without it strapped.
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I have never, ever, ever forgotten to strap my helmet, EVER. If you, or anyone has, you need to slow down a little when you are getting ready to ride. Rushing things leads to mistakes and things forgotten. Slow down a little. Even a crash at 5mph could be fatal if you knock your hear right.
 
msethhunter said:
I have never, ever, ever forgotten to strap my helmet, EVER. If you, or anyone has, you need to slow down a little when you are getting ready to ride. Rushing things leads to mistakes and things forgotten. Slow down a little. Even a crash at 5mph could be fatal if you knock your hear right.
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I think that you are missing the point.

Someone speculated that Marco's helmet was not strapped. Traq was attempting to explain that an un-strapped helmet moves around on your head and as such, Marco would have figured that out on the sighting lap.
 
msethhunter said:
I have never, ever, ever forgotten to strap my helmet, EVER. If you, or anyone has, you need to slow down a little when you are getting ready to ride. Rushing things leads to mistakes and things forgotten. Slow down a little. Even a crash at 5mph could be fatal if you knock your hear right.
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never ever? wow!:wow

not even once or twice? lol i've done it probably a half dozen times in my many many years of riding and daily commuting. it usually slaps against my helmet and i pull over when safe and fasten, no big deal.

i wear properly and professionally fitted arais and shoeis.:thumbup
 
Seems to me that the team of people working with Marco would have noticed a missing helmet strap.. you can probably re-watch your Tivo of the pre-race shots and find out for yourself..

My personal theory is that the helmet was ripped off when it (and Marco's head) was wedged between Colin and Rossi's bikes.. But I don't want to watch that damn footage 50 more times to be sure..
 
Aviator said:
I don't know about you guys but the strap on my helmet strap doesn't have anything to do with keeping my helmet from moving around. It is a retention strap in the chance of an off, not an adjustment strap.

I could be doing it wrong.:nerd
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What happens if you are riding at 80mph without a windshield? Or, alternatively, are 6'4" and your windshield is only shielding your chest?

I got on 280 once with my helmet unstrapped and noticed immediately. It didn't fly off and go down the road, but I could feel it lifting.
 
thedub said:
I don't think your helmet fits correctly.
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Agreed. If you need the strap hold you lid on you are doing it wrong. I once did a 20 min session at Thunderhill at a fast B+/A pace only to realise that I had not fastened the strap when I took my helmet off at the end (distracted :) :wow)

However, the force and circumstances of Simi's crash appeared such that having his lid come off probably made zero difference.
 
I dont think a MotGp rider is even going to make it to his bike without one of his crew pointing it out.

I think Rossi's front tire took the helmet off. That would have killed him right them. Same COD as Dale Earnhart.
 
Motorsport can be a deadly pastime.

I was at a big NHRA (drag-racing) event in the 80's when a motor blew as the cars were just getting off the line, and the blower unit (big air intake assembly on top of the manifold) went sailing waaaay up in the air.....and hit a camerman on it's way down, killing him.

You really just never know. Sic's line in a recent interview "you live more in 5 minutes on a bike like this at speed than some people do in their entire lives..." is one that should be engraved in the hallowed halls of our sport.
 
day004 said:
I think Rossi's front tire took the helmet off. That would have killed him right them. Same COD as Dale Earnhart.
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What are you saying? The act of his helmet coming off is what killed him? (how are you so sure?)

Or are you saying that Dale Earnhardt's helmet came off and that is what caused his death?
 
(walks in) God damn... This thread is still going? Here is the final answer. He died from a motorcycle accident! Y'all ain't CSI investigators. Let him RIP. (walks out slamming door)
 
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