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Bay Area HOV - Okay for motorcycles?

It's slowly dying from rust and lack of maintenance but yeah my cage is a brat. Lifted, ej22 motor (smog legal!) 5sp, posi rear end, removable fun tops, and bed seats when I want them. :D
 
That applies to bridges, not to express lanes which are free to motorcycles. If you do have a fastrack, better to leave it behind, or to leave it in the mylar bag when you travel through express lanes.

Do you have any more info on that. I want to ensure that if I enter into an express lane I am not sent a fine in the mail. This is coming to highway 85 soon.
 
Do you have any more info on that. I want to ensure that if I enter into an express lane I am not sent a fine in the mail. This is coming to highway 85 soon.

How will the Express Lanes work?
The new Express Lanes will operate as follows:
Solo drivers who want a more reliable trip on southbound I-680 and eastbound I-580 will need to obtain and mount a FasTrak toll tag on their windshields. They will be charged a toll each time they choose to use the Express Lane. Carpool vehicles with two or more people, motorcycles, transit buses and eligible hybrids will continue to use the lane for free.
The existing carpool lanes have been converted to Express Lanes with new striping, specific entry and exit points, overhead electronic signs and a FasTrak electronic toll collection system. The new Express Lanes are separated from general-purpose lanes by triple lines, except at entry and exit points.
The operation is fully electronic. There are not any tollbooths or traffic gates, so customers do not need to slow down or stop to provide a toll payment.
Motorists with a FasTrak toll tag can enter the Express Lanes at designated places. An overhead electronic sign displays the current toll being assessed. Toll costs will vary based on real-time traffic levels on the Express Lanes to ensure that traffic in the lanes flows smoothly.

http://www.bayareafastrak.org/static/about/faq_express.shtml#4

If you're in that lane as a carpool/HOV vehicle with your Fasttrak and no mylar bag, you'll get charged. Speaking from experience. Either leave the transponder at home, or have a mylar bag.
 
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Anyone else notice the "Motorcycles OK" sings have been removed from the 880 to Bay Bridge onramp? I hope that's not indication of pending changes.
 
Yep. If you have a Miata or that type of car you're good to go. Taking existing seats out of vehicles designed for more is a no-no. That's made for some funny headlines over the years. Also, the occupants have to be alive. A hearse driver in So-Cal found that one out the hard way. And then there was the dude in Marin who got popped with his CPR dummy all belted up. That went over well.:laughing

Man, I can't believe I remembered this one from 1987...

Sue Ann Yasger had a unique argument why she shouldn't be fined for driving in a Costa Mesa Freeway car-pool lane with no one in her passenger seats.

When she was stopped by a California Highway Patrol officer last October, the 29-year-old Fullerton woman told him she had a passenger--her 5-month-old fetus. A Central Municipal Court judge laughingly agreed with her, at least enough to dismiss her traffic ticket

It's since been updated to...

"I'm pregnant. The HOV lane requires two persons in a vehicle. Now that I'm eating for two, can I use this lane?
California law requires that in order to utilize the HOV lane, there must be two (or, if posted, three) separate individuals occupying seats in a vehicle. Until your "passenger" is capable of riding in his or her own seat, you cannot count them.
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Anyone else notice the "Motorcycles OK" sings have been removed from the 880 to Bay Bridge onramp? I hope that's not indication of pending changes.

the "motorcycles ok" signs have not been required for years (like 10 - 15). If they are now being removed (or more likely not replaced when other work is done) it's not because of some secret plot.
 
The governor vetoed a law in 2008 (AB 2617) to require these signs be maintained. They haven't been required since at least the 2003 version of the MUTCD.


EXISTING FEDERAL LAW requires, under the Federal Surface Transportation Assistance Act of 1982, states to permit motorcycles in HOV facilities unless their presence creates a safety hazard.

When motorcycles were first allowed to use HOV lanes, signs were needed to inform riders and motorists alike. Now, however, as signs get damaged or worn out, Caltrans does not replace them. In fact, Caltrans' "Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices, 2003," indicates that the use of the "Motorcycles OK" signs has been deleted from the list of allowable signs.

Caltrans typically prefers to limit the number of signs placed on the highways, if at all possible, for at least a couple of reasons:

a) To reduce the exposure of its maintenance workers in replacing signs; and,
b) To reduce distractions to motorists.

GOVERNOR'S VETO MESSAGE

"This bill would require that the Department of Transportation or a local authority post signs wherever a motorcycle is permitted upon high-occupancy vehicle (HOV) lanes. This would necessitate a significant expenditure to post and replace such signs on the state's highway systems. Additionally, no data has been established to indicate that confusion over whether a motorcycle can or cannot use HOV lanes is a widespread problem. The need for this costly signage program has not been conclusively established."
 
The governor vetoed a law in 2008 (AB 2617) to require these signs be maintained. They haven't been required since at least the 2003 version of the MUTCD.

GOVERNOR'S VETO MESSAGE

"This bill would require that the Department of Transportation or a local authority post signs wherever a motorcycle is permitted upon high-occupancy vehicle (HOV) lanes. This would necessitate a significant expenditure to post and replace such signs on the state's highway systems. Additionally, no data has been established to indicate that confusion over whether a motorcycle can or cannot use HOV lanes is a widespread problem. The need for this costly signage program has not been conclusively established.

I'm surprised by that justification. Anecdotally among my friends who don't ride and the MSF classes I've taught, most people don't know it's legal for bikes to be in the HOV lane.
 
whats a hov lane???

living up in the hills all we have are two lane roads. (one lane each way). :ride

in the company truck i am stuck in the rt lane of the freeways. computers are retarded to keep the rigs below 56 mph. :wow :thumbdown
just glad i get paid by the hr. :)



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Do you have any more info on that. I want to ensure that if I enter into an express lane I am not sent a fine in the mail. This is coming to highway 85 every freeway which currently has a HOV lane soon.

Fixed with my prediction.
 
Not a bad prediction.




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The thing I fucking hate about it is that it almost completely removes the lane for normal travel when it's not HOV/express time. They paint the solid lines that you "can't" cross over, but otherwise it's free to use the lane. Freaking annoying. I'd rather they build in an extra lane, then close it off and charge for its use.
 
The thing I fucking hate about it is that it almost completely removes the lane for normal travel when it's not HOV/express time. They paint the solid lines that you "can't" cross over, but otherwise it's free to use the lane. Freaking annoying. I'd rather they build in an extra lane, then close it off and charge for its use.

I'm confused. You complain about not being able to cross the white lines, but then suggest that they should close (wall?) it off entirely? If you're not crossing the double white lines, aren't those equivalent?

It's also not removing a lane, it's adding a lane during part of the day (though, as you point out, one with limited access points). In LA, where the HOV lanes are 24 hours, single drivers can NEVER legally access those lanes. In the Bay Area, single drivers can access them legally during the non-rush hour parts of the day... it is *adding* to the capacity of the freeway, not decreasing it.
 
I'm confused. You complain about not being able to cross the white lines, but then suggest that they should close (wall?) it off entirely? If you're not crossing the double white lines, aren't those equivalent?

It's also not removing a lane, it's adding a lane during part of the day (though, as you point out, one with limited access points). In LA, where the HOV lanes are 24 hours, single drivers can NEVER legally access those lanes. In the Bay Area, single drivers can access them legally during the non-rush hour parts of the day... it is *adding* to the capacity of the freeway, not decreasing it.

Unless I've been noticing it the wrong way, it starts out as an open access carpool lane, then they convert it to limited access. I'd rather they built in a dedicated lane for it. If I've got it wrong, then nevermind. I still wish it were open access when it's not carpool time.
 
Unless I've been noticing it the wrong way, it starts out as an open access carpool lane, then they convert it to limited access. I'd rather they built in a dedicated lane for it. If I've got it wrong, then nevermind. I still wish it were open access when it's not carpool time.

In suppose it will be different by location but at least on 680 southbound after the sunol grade, entering Fremont, that toll lane was constructed to be a toll/HOV lane from the get go. I don't think there was an HOV lane there at all before the toll lane was built
 
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