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Bazzaz FI fuel controllers

Oneup

Oneup

AFM #911
Joined
Nov 12, 2007
Location
Nevada
Moto(s)
09 R6(Race), 02 KX 250(dirt)
Is anyone using a Bazzaz system? There are currently a lot of deals on all of Bazzaz's fuel systems and I was wondering if anyone here has any feedback on them. I have no personal experience with this brand and I have a few questions about them and I'm having trouble finding any current reviews or info on them other than what the website states. I was wondering:

How they differ from power commander

How well the quickshifter works

How well the traction control works

Who would be able to tune it

How easy it is to set the whole thing up as far as programming the quick shifter or the traction control (if I get it)
 
I love mine. Much better than PC. I've been using that system for 3 years. I have Alex at Fastline in Fremont handle the tuning. he also does trackside touch ups on race weekends. the self mapper is awesome. you dont need the traction control IMO. I have it on one bike and keep it turned off. i will turn it on if it rains.
The QS seems to be way better than the PC. easy to adjust. Its not given me the issues the PC did. plus the PC on some bikes require the Ignition control unit as well to work.
If you get it i would say get the AFM self mapper on the QS unit. If you go with the TC unit get the switch for on the fly adjustment. You can also get the 2 map switch as well. One for pump fuel and the other for Race fuel.
Alex at fastline can set it all up for you if you'd like. Tell him i sent you! Good luck. hope that helps a little.
 
Almost everything Neil said, but...and this is a big one: you don't need it for a 600. I only used the TC when I was trying to get another race out of a rear tire, or the rear had started to go off...but that still meant I went slower. It's a neat system but the other problem is it does not do ignition/ thus you cannot change the timing, etc. As much as I know of tuning, that's the big difference between it and the Power Commander product.

Alex at Fastline is the man...most importantly cause he's trackside and that came in critically important to my championship this year.

I have mine setup differently from neil...cause the joywheel dial they give you to change settings is impossible to do so on the fly, so I have identical maps on the 2 map switch, one with TC set and the other without.

While I really liked the unit, it's doubtful I'll put one on my next bike. A 600 just doesn't need one...and everytime I turned it off I went faster.
 
Holeshot said:
Almost everything Neil said, but...and this is a big one: you don't need it for a 600. I only used the TC when I was trying to get another race out of a rear tire, or the rear had started to go off...but that still meant I went slower. It's a neat system but the other problem is it does not do ignition/ thus you cannot change the timing, etc. As much as I know of tuning, that's the big difference between it and the Power Commander product.

Alex at Fastline is the man...most importantly cause he's trackside and that came in critically important to my championship this year.

I have mine setup differently from neil...cause the joywheel dial they give you to change settings is impossible to do so on the fly, so I have identical maps on the 2 map switch, one with TC set and the other without.

While I really liked the unit, it's doubtful I'll put one on my next bike. A 600 just doesn't need one...and everytime I turned it off I went faster.
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Surely some of the pro 600 riders (even satellite guys) are going faster with it, than without it?

From what I can tell, the difference is ample track time, being able to decipher the data, and a trained technician or specialist who knows how to translate the data. Oh, and a rider that has the technical aptitude to work with the technician and provide feedback.

I'm absolutely certain that if we took Bazzaz himself and he spent 10-20 trackdays with you in a "working" environment, you'd go faster. How much, that's definitely the big question mark.
 
I don't think any 600 riders actively use it in AMA even. It would work well on a 1000, but a 600 spinning is really an issue of other riding factors not related to the power of the bike.

It's just that when it cuts power, you lose the drive...it's better to let the rear spin a bit. Graves guys don't use the system. Chris Clark spent alot of time on it and they gave up too. Jimmy Wood as well.

Dorn will likely tell us his guys go faster, etc, etc. He's the only one with guys that run at the front who I've heard say this. As Neil said, alot of guys use it in the weather/ temperate climates. We don't have that issue.

But then again Ev, If you're paying for Amar, I'm in!
 
Interesting. I thought for sure a few of the top guys would certainly be using it.

Shit, I wish. :laughing
 
Thanks for the info. I was only looking at the traction control because it is only 60 or so more right now. It doesn't sound like it's really worth it. I'll look into the auto tune and the dual map switch.
 
But then again Ev, If you're paying for Amar, I'm in![/QUOTE]

Me too!!!! :laughing:thumbup
Just tell me the 20 dates of the track days! :teeth
 
Haha! Oneup, for $60 more, I'd for sure do the TC. But if you were thinking of something else VS the Bazzaz, that was more where my comment was aimed at.
 
All the fast guys I've talked to says the TC just slows them down, but for us mortals it can be a good learning aid. Units with the TC have a much higher resale value too when the bike gets wadded season is over.
 
Holeshot said:
Haha! Oneup, for $60 more, I'd for sure do the TC. But if you were thinking of something else VS the Bazzaz, that was more where my comment was aimed at.
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My question was for both. I had no info on Bazzaz as a brand but was interested in them because of the prices and the fact that I have had problems with both power commanders and factory pro modules. If I do go with the Bazzaz my other question was which model to get. It looks like I have the information I need now. Thanks again!
 
Holeshot said:
I don't think any 600 riders actively use it in AMA even. It would work well on a 1000, but a 600 spinning is really an issue of other riding factors not related to the power of the bike.

It's just that when it cuts power, you lose the drive...it's better to let the rear spin a bit. Graves guys don't use the system. Chris Clark spent alot of time on it and they gave up too. Jimmy Wood as well.

Dorn will likely tell us his guys go faster, etc, etc. He's the only one with guys that run at the front who I've heard say this. As Neil said, alot of guys use it in the weather/ temperate climates. We don't have that issue.

But then again Ev, If you're paying for Amar, I'm in!
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you'd be wrong. many 600 teams use. Its great for wheel spin.

FYI it DOES work well on a 600 when setup correctly. Everyone i have got from a Cali bike is the generic map..not sure if they dont want to spend time to develop it or not. Best is when i see TC maps with TC in the 100% throttle position above say peak tq...that cracks me up..best way to slow a bike down...haha... I will say that Lenny's R6 we built used and ran it at time and last i checked he did fairly well on his R6 no??

Your right Berto my guys were faster where they not?? who had a faster 600 than Lenny?? Who had a faster 750 then Nekimken? Who had a faster 1000 than Earnest? not too many...Earn wont run TC or even a QS cause he is stuck in 1976 and wants me to put on a set of Delorato carbs on his bike for 2011...

The point is TC CAN AND DOES WORK however just throwing it on the bike or using the base map is not right. You have to know what it affects and how it affects the bike, the wheel spin, what track your on, what bike, how does the rider ride? Is he abrupt on the throttle or smooth? IT does take a lot of time but luckily for me, up in the NW we run it constantly due to wet weather riding so we get a good feel for what you can/should do and not do.

As for who does what better. I have said for last few years Berto... bring a dyno and a bike to the track dyno....erase the mapping....have who ever you want dyno the bike in ALL THROTTLE POSITIONS best he can in under 15 mins and then let me....lets compare the mapping on the dyno and on the track. Ill put up $$$ for that challenge any day of the week. Now you have a disassemble/revalve front forks and ill bow to guys like Barry and Kyle..thats their area..it'd take me 2 days..lol

Honestly guys TC CAN work...just need to know how to set up right. I like it on my bikes when they go out for the first AM session..cold track, etc..you can turn it up a bit to help rider not have an "opps" and then many my riders on big bikes love that when the tire goes you can turn up a bit. again most that dont like it dont have it setup right, most the time its WAY too high/intrusive.

OH and BTW Berto i too was at every Friday-Sunday event...with lap top...so please dont suggest only 1 guy is there...i helped way more than 1 or 2 non EDR riders with maps this year... :mouthtaped
 
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oh and hey Berto...you dont think "all 600" are created the same do you? Some the TC might really help a guy if in the wrong hands... :twofinger




*NO not prod class legal! :cool
 

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EDR said:
oh and hey Berto...you dont think "all 600" are created the same do you? Some the TC might really help a guy if in the wrong hands... :twofinger




*NO not prod class legal! :cool
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Interesting. You're building R6's that are supersport legal with more HP than the TenKate stuff?

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at the front sprocket (engine dyno's) i have seen the charts on the Ten Kate bikes..its about 133-134rwhp. Plus remember these are 500km engines. Not meant for a full season of club racing. Its easy to get big hp for a wknd or two. still very cool bike for sure
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EDR said:
:a GOOD running 2008-2009 R6 with right mods, VP gas (not ms109!) and some ecu mods you can get up around 130rwhp.
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Huh. 3 hp difference, lasts 2 seasons AND is AFM legal? Maybe they're running the wrong gas too?

Here, Eric, refresh yourself on the TC debate brother!

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=323680
 
Holeshot said:
Interesting. You're building R6's that are supersport legal with more HP than the TenKate stuff?
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huh?? read the title of the pic Berto..plus the little writing (*not prod class legal) .aka a superbike R6! I made that pretty clear in my post i thought. Next time ill bold it and make it bigger to read..plus anyone that has built a few R6 can look at tq and know thats not a s/s built 600.... but yes you CAN get 128-130rwhp on a SS legal built R6 with MR gas...not tough to figure out...but they wont make the tq or over 14k power of a superbike like the one i posted (and stated it was a superbike) :twofinger
 
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Holeshot said:
. Graves guys don't use the system. Chris Clark spent alot of time on it and they gave up too. J!
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??? you sure about this too Berto?? I happen to know my good freind that RODE the Chris Clarke R1 superbike and it has/had TC! Not too mention you sure you know what Graves are using??? I do..and no you cant afford it...and yes it has TC progamability....its "marvel"ous ..hint hint.. ;)
 
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