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BLM released the CCMA EIS

I would stay out of Clear Creek

As some of you know, I have been involved with trying to keep Carnegie open. In getting involved with Carnegie, some people have forwarded me some info about Clear Creek. Because I have never been to CC, I never paid any attention to the posts on BARF about CC, so I was fairly uninformed about the issues as to why it was closed to OHV.

However, I have recently read several posts, as well as the reason for the closure of CC, and I would like to add my .02 to this issue.

I have been an attorney for about 10 years, of which I spent about 4 years practicing asbestos litigation. In doing so, I spent a great deal of time dealing with issues of asbestos exposure and consequences of this exposure.

In short, the area known as Clear Creek is not an area I would ever go riding and I would never let my daughter set foot in that park. While the type of asbestos found in CC is not of the type linked to the worst type of cancer (Mesothelioma) the exposure to this asbestos is a real danger. This is not a case where some crack pot group is trying to shut down this park because they hate OHV.

California has a lot of naturally occurring asbestos, and riding motorcycle in an area with large amounts of asbestos is a very unhealthy activity, especially if you are young.

As someone who knows the full effect of prolonged exposure to asbestos, I would recommended that people stay out of this park.

On a side note, I am not sure if many of you know, but it is believed by many that Steve McQueen died from riding his dirt bike in Northern California, in a park known to have naturally occurring asbestos.

McQueen died from Mesothelioma, which can only be caused by exposure to asbestos. Some people believe he was exposed to asbestos when he was younger, but there are many that believe it was from his riding in Northern Cal.
 
FlewbyU said:
McQueen died from Mesothelioma, which can only be caused by exposure to asbestos. Some people believe he was exposed to asbestos when he was younger, but there are many that believe it was from his riding in Northern Cal.
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While McQueen felt that asbestos used in movie soundstage insulation and race-drivers' protective suits and helmets could have been involved, he believed his illness was a direct result of massive exposure while removing asbestos lagging from pipes aboard a troop ship during his time in the Marines.
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No comment.
 
FlewbyU said:
As some of you know, I have been involved with trying to keep Carnegie open. In getting involved with Carnegie, some people have forwarded me some info about Clear Creek. Because I have never been to CC, I never paid any attention to the posts on BARF about CC, so I was fairly uninformed about the issues as to why it was closed to OHV.

However, I have recently read several posts, as well as the reason for the closure of CC, and I would like to add my .02 to this issue.

I have been an attorney for about 10 years, of which I spent about 4 years practicing asbestos litigation. In doing so, I spent a great deal of time dealing with issues of asbestos exposure and consequences of this exposure.

In short, the area known as Clear Creek is not an area I would ever go riding and I would never let my daughter set foot in that park. While the type of asbestos found in CC is not of the type linked to the worst type of cancer (Mesothelioma) the exposure to this asbestos is a real danger. This is not a case where some crack pot group is trying to shut down this park because they hate OHV.

California has a lot of naturally occurring asbestos, and riding motorcycle in an area with large amounts of asbestos is a very unhealthy activity, especially if you are young.

As someone who knows the full effect of prolonged exposure to asbestos, I would recommended that people stay out of this park.

On a side note, I am not sure if many of you know, but it is believed by many that Steve McQueen died from riding his dirt bike in Northern California, in a park known to have naturally occurring asbestos.

McQueen died from Mesothelioma, which can only be caused by exposure to asbestos. Some people believe he was exposed to asbestos when he was younger, but there are many that believe it was from his riding in Northern Cal.
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And people that have ridden there all their lives thank the BLM for protecting them against the evils of naturally occuring asbestos. Now if they could just protect everyone from motorcycles, cars, exhaust pollution, global warming, asteroids on a collision course with earth we'll all be saved!

So glad all my decisions are made for me.
 
wsmc831 said:
And people that have ridden there all their lives thank the BLM for protecting them against the evils of naturally occuring asbestos. Now if they could just protect everyone from motorcycles, cars, exhaust pollution, global warming, asteroids on a collision course with earth we'll all be saved!

So glad all my decisions are made for me.
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People can form their own opinions. However, having been a asbestos defense attorney for a number of years, I have formed what I would consider a well informed opinion.

Given the number of other places to ride, I don't personally need to ride in a dusty area with known asbestos.

Its always younger people that say, that is a bunch of scare tactics. Then when they are in their 60's with lung cancer they say, I wish I would have listened. Do what you want, just don't complain 30 years from now when you have lung cancer.

As for McQueen. I did say it was open for debate, as I knew about the other claims of exposure. It all depends on what expert you talk to. :thumbup
 
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FlewbyU said:
People can form their own opinions. However, having been a asbestos defense attorney for a number of years, I have formed what I would consider a well informed opinion.

Given the number of other places to ride, I don't personally need to ride in a dusty area with known asbestos.

Its always younger people that say, that is a bunch of scare tactics. Then when they are in their 60's with lung cancer they say, I wish I would have listened. Do what you want, just don't complain 30 years from now when you have lung cancer.
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Many people, especially with kids to protect, will buy into the EPA/BLM story completely and ignore all the complexity. I would think an attorney would at least consider an issue in depth before taking a stance and declaring themselves "well informed" (granted, their whole job is to take someone else's stance up front and defend it later). I can tell you haven't even scratched the surface, as you've never seen CC and think it is a park and run by the state.

The reality is that life involves risk and some of it is a personal choice. The actual riding for an average person a few times a year is easily 100x or 1000x more dangerous than any asbestos risk. The asbestos exposure from daily existence in a city looks comparable or greater. Would you let your daughter ride motorcycles or bicycles, walk to school by herself, use the Internet, eat a bad diet or be a couch potato?

Having a clearly biased nanny government agency weighing risk for you and eliminating your favorite activities is a bad future. You haven't grasped the depths of idiocy in the government's documents that responsible citizens are poring over.
 
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foccma has an announcement, as well as the same thing from BRC

**********************12/23/2009 23:23**********************
OHV ORGANIZATIONS JOINT STATEMENT ON CCMA DEIS


With the release by the Bureau of Land Management of the Clear Creek Management Area Draft Resource Management Plan and Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS), OHV organizations including the BlueRibbon Coalition, California Off Road Vehicle Association, California Association of Four Wheel Drive Clubs, American Motorcyclist Association, American Motorcyclist Association District 36, Timekeepers Motorcycle Club and the Salinas Ramblers Motorcycle Club have joined together in a collaborative effort to respond to this document.

These groups will continue their ongoing efforts to analyze and respond to the DEIS by the March 5 deadline for public comments. It is important for the local recreationists and other stakeholders who have been arbitrarily locked out of Clear Creek by the BLM's temporary closure to attend the public meetings in January 2010.

MEETING SCHEDULE AND INFORMATION

http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/info/newsroom/2009/december/CC1012_clearcreek_draftplan_meetings.html

The OHV organizations mentioned above will be providing analysis and suggested comments to their respective organizations and utilizing the Friends of the Clear Creek Management Area web site: http://www.foccma.org/ as a clearing house for DEIS related information.

**********************12/20/2009 15:35**********************
Public Comments for Clear Creek

DO NOT MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.

Public comments are not due until March 4, 2010. There will be a great deal of new information that comes out as a result of the public meetings in Janaury.

You as a citizen are not required to pick a specific alternative and this is note a "vote" per say. There will be "comment writing seminar" for the OHV community shortly after the public meetings. This is a great way to learn about the process and learn how to make sure your comments are effective. We recommend that anyone who is interested in the public process attend this seminar.

Stay tuned for more information as it becomes available.
**********************12/20/2009 15:27**********************
Clear Creak Public Meetings

BLM to Host Public Meetings for Clear Creek Draft Plan

The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Hollister Field Office will host three public meetings to gather comments on the Clear Creek Management Area (CCMA) Draft Resource Management Plan (RMP) and Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) in January 2010.

"We encourage the public to attend these meetings to find out more about Clear Creek and help us plan for its future management," said Rick Cooper, BLM Hollister Field Office manager. The draft RMP/EIS covers about 75,000 acres of public lands administered by BLM in southern San Benito and western Fresno counties. The draft RMP/EIS does not include public lands outside of the CCMA.

The draft RMP/EIS was developed through a public planning process and considers seven alternatives. The primary issues addressed are public health risk from asbestos exposure in CCMA, recreation, protection of sensitive natural and cultural resources, energy and mineral development, land tenure adjustments, and other planning issues identified during the public scoping process.

Each public meeting will begin with an open house where the public can gather information, talk with BLM specialists, and provide written comments on the draft RMP/EIS. Following the open house, the BLM will give a brief introduction followed by an opportunity for the public to provide oral comments on the draft RMP/EIS. Although oral comments will be noted on flip charts, BLM will only respond to written public comments in the proposed RMP and final EIS. Comments must be postmarked or received by BLM no later than March 5, 2010.

The public is encouraged to attend the public meetings to gather information and provide comments on the draft RMP/EIS. All public meetings will take place from 5:30 - 8:30 p.m. at:

January 13, 2010: Harris Ranch Garden Ballroom, 24505 W. Dorris Ave., Coalinga
January 14, 2010: Veterans Memorial Hall, 649 San Benito St. Hollister
January 20, 2010: Santa Clara Convention Center, Great America Meeting Rooms, 5001 Great America Parkway, Santa Clara


The draft RMP/EIS is available on-line for public review at the Hollister Field Office webpage: http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/hollister/clear_creek_management_area/CCMA_RMP.html. Compact disks of the document are available by request from the Hollister Field Office at the address above. For additional information contact the Hollister Field Office at (831) 630-5000.


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BRC Challenges Decision Process Regarding CCMA Closure

TRAIL RECREATION GROUP CHALLENGES DECISION PROCESS REGARDING CCMA CLOSURE
July 8th, 2009
Contacts:

* Don Amador, BRC Western Representative
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o Email: brdon@sharetrails.org
o Webpage: http://www.sharetrails.org/staff/#DonA
 
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