Book of Boba Fett

[TylerW]

if they keep doing spinoffs and not going to continue book of bobba fett, hope they give Fennec Shand (Ming-Na Wen) her own series.

She was a huge part of their success

I reckon she had very little to do with Mandalorian's success, she was a fairly small part in that series. BOBF, for sure.

Its possible she could appear in the Ahsoka series, but I don't know what the connection would be.

 

[Kurosaki]

I don't think they'll be slowing down with Disney+ shows. They've gotta keep people subscribed.

Unless any character is killed, I reckon it's within all likelihood they'll be used again, even in a small way. And even then, they can follow comic book logic, if you don't see a body then they aren't dead.

As long as you aren't Gina Carano and couldn't shut up when told to quit making controversial statements your boss doesn't like, multiple times.

 

[TylerW]

I really liked Mandalorian a lot more when it stayed detached from anyone in the Skywalker saga. It's a big galaxy, it doesn't all need to come back to the same 15-20 people

 

[Agent Orange]

I dont see how anyone is going to keep up with SW if you haven't watched Clone Wars or even Rebels. All these are going to keep building on each other.

Hell I have a feeling at some point they are going to introduce the Bad Batch and I haven't even gotten around do that series yet.

 

[TylerW]

Its really not that hard. They write the show so you can get caught up on the roles of characters very quickly even if you don't know anything about them, but the scene is far more rewarding if you do know the backstories. Like I kinda knew the broad strokes of the Ahsoka story, and when Cad Bane showed up, I knew he was someone you fuck with at your own caution.

I'm sure the animated series fans enjoyed those scenes way more than I did, and that's fine, they have greater investment. If they writers wrote the show in a way that was completely dependent on watching 4 seasons of animation, that would be bad writing.

 

[FXCLM5]

Yea if you watch obiwan Kenobi it has flash backs in the beginning from star wars for past 30-40 years now

 

[TylerW]

Yea if you watch obiwan Kenobi it has flash backs in the beginning from star wars for past 30-40 years now

Sir that would be a flash forward.

 

[Kurosaki]

Flashbacks aren't the same as experiencing the previous content in it's entirety. If it was comparable, just make the entire show a flash back and we can be done with it in 15 minutes.

If you didn't watch Clone Wars and saw the bond between Anakin and his padawan Ahsoka throughout the whole series and to have her leave him and the Jedi order completely, you don't think that might have been a contributing factor in him giving up hope and turning into Vader? There's no way to prove it but I'd wager losing Ahsoka was just as hard if not harder on Anakin than feeling betrayed by Obi-Wan.

Tyler, you're correct that if understanding the show or any show was contingent on a complete understanding of another show, that's bad writing. All the Disney+ shows can be watched without a huge ton of back story.

I'm only pressing this issue but that's all fine for the casual fan but I don't take most of you as casual fans. A lot of what happens in those animated series are equally as important and relevant as the movies and shows. Otherwise, I'd leave it be.

 

[Kurosaki]

Sir that would be a flash forward.

 

[Akira-R]

Flashbacks aren't the same as experiencing the previous content in it's entirety. If it was comparable, just make the entire show a flash back and we can be done with it in 15 minutes.

If you didn't watch Clone Wars and saw the bond between Anakin and his padawan Ahsoka throughout the whole series and to have her leave him and the Jedi order completely, you don't think that might have been a contributing factor in him giving up hope and turning into Vader? There's no way to prove it but I'd wager losing Ahsoka was just as hard if not harder on Anakin than feeling betrayed by Obi-Wan.

Tyler, you're correct that if understanding the show or any show was contingent on a complete understanding of another show, that's bad writing. All the Disney+ shows can be watched without a huge ton of back story.

I'm only pressing this issue but that's all fine for the casual fan but I don't take most of you as casual fans. A lot of what happens in those animated series are equally as important and relevant as the movies and shows. Otherwise, I'd leave it be.

Anakin had already turned before he felt betrayed by Obi-Wan. His guilt in losing Ahsoka for sure questioned his faith in the Jedi teachings and feeling/understanding that the Jedi had lost their way.

 

[Kurosaki]

Anakin had already turned before he felt betrayed by Obi-Wan. His guilt in losing Ahsoka for sure questioned his faith in the Jedi teachings and feeling/understanding that the Jedi had lost their way.

Yeah I had retraced some thoughts on that. He was still a Jedi of faith but the series of questionable events with Obi-Wan and the Jedi council in addition to his own ambition were damaging. The seeds were already sown to push him that way. But watching Revenge of the Sith, if you didn't know he was also dealing with losing his padawan... you'd never know to consider that as an incredibly important piece of the Anakin -> Vader puzzle. If Ahsoka stayed, maybe she could have pulled him back. Who knows. Maybe she could have told him to chill the fuck out. Between the two of them, Anakin's betrayal was just perceived and a perversion of the facts. Ahsoka was done real dirty accused of a crime she didn't commit, realized no real justice would be served, and bounced out.

My little sister is adopted. We aren't blood related. But I often call her my padawan. If she abandoned our relationship, for reasons justifiable or made up, that would be pretty hurtful. Who knows where I'd go after that. I've been emphasizing the Ahsoka character and that's partly why.

 

[Kurosaki]

Also in the same vein of the conversation of content outside of the movies/shows, we mentioned in this chat before about Starkiller, Vader's apprentice from the game Force Unleashed.

If you never played that game or knew of it's existence and the basic plotline, if you watch the original Star Wars trilogy, Vader seems like a little bitch pawn to the final boss, Palpatine.

Without knowing Starkiller, the 'legend' of the Sith that 'there are always two' fails with Vader just based on the movies. But knowing Vader had a secret apprentice doing Sith things the way the Sith have always done, changes the perspective that Vader was biding his time to overthrow/kill Sidius the same way Sidius did to Darth Plagueis.

 

[TylerW]

Also in the same vein of the conversation of content outside of the movies/shows, we mentioned in this chat before about Starkiller, Vader's apprentice from the game Force Unleashed.

If you never played that game or knew of it's existence and the basic plotline, if you watch the original Star Wars trilogy, Vader seems like a little bitch pawn to the final boss, Palpatine.

Without knowing Starkiller, the 'legend' of the Sith that 'there are always two' fails with Vader just based on the movies. But knowing Vader had a secret apprentice doing Sith things the way the Sith have always done, changes the perspective that Vader was biding his time to overthrow/kill Sidius the same way Sidius did to Darth Plagueis.

I know we talked about games-as-canon, and I don't think TFU still is. At least not technically. But Lucas/Disney is still well aware of their presence, and can still bring in stuff when they see fit - like the Dark Troopers we saw at the end of S2 of Mando that otherwise only ever appeared in the Dark Forces games - even though that story got retconned so Rogue One could exist.

Which is a better story about acquiring the death star plans than Dark forces did. But hey, five dollars is five dollars.

 

[Kurosaki]

I know we talked about games-as-canon, and I don't think TFU still is. At least not technically. But Lucas/Disney is still well aware of their presence, and can still bring in stuff when they see fit - like the Dark Troopers we saw at the end of S2 of Mando that otherwise only ever appeared in the Dark Forces games - even though that story got retconned so Rogue One could exist.

Which is a better story about acquiring the death star plans than Dark forces did. But hey, five dollars is five dollars.

We can do the Google-fu thing, but as far as I know The Force Unleased is still canon but the sequel, as we talked about before, is just a fun game.

I'd prefer to believe in the canon that Vader secretly planned to continue the Sith tradition that there's always only two until he learned of his children and that made things a little muddied later in the timeline. Pretty much all Sith are not puppets to their master and that's what Vader was doing in the movies, just the next boss til you get the to final boss. Unless you know his secret apprentice. It changes the perception of Vader and also strengthens the decision to make Anakin Palpatine his apprentice unless Palpatine thought Anakin would just be another lame dark side pawn like the inquisitors.

Knowing his son lives changed him (and daughter), outside of those issues there but before then, he would have killed Palpatine much earlier if the timing made sense regardless of his redemption story.

 

[Kurosaki]

To continue the thought, Darth Maul was Sidius's apprentice before Anakin. But if you haven't seen Clone Wars, you don't even know how all that went down.

And when he was "killed" but how'd that turn out? Maul was abandoned and became a huge shit disturber and dictator to the throne of Mandalore with the battle over the dark saber.

If Vader knew he was the third choice to continue the Sith legend of two, he'd be like...

edit: While having this discussion, I almost completely forgot about Count Dooku. Sidius's apprentice after Maul before Vader.

 

[Akira-R]

Dooku was the apprentice before Maul I thought? For some reason, i thought he was Dooku's apprentice.

edit: And Dooku also had Ventress as an apprentice.... I think the sith use an apprentice to gain the power to overthrow the current master.

Jedi also have a kind of rule of 2, only can have one padawan at a time.

 

[Critter]

Personally I'm LOVING this new show. Not gonna nit pick it, not going to over analyze it, just taking it in.

I'm getting a sick pleasure from watching these SW "fans" twist in the wind over Reva. Shes an awesome character and the writers should be doing high fives because they have everyone TRIGGERED.

 

[Abacinator]

There's no need to watch clone wars. Just read the discussion here between Tyler and Kuro

 

[Kurosaki]

Dooku was the apprentice before Maul I thought? For some reason, i thought he was Dooku's apprentice.

edit: And Dooku also had Ventress as an apprentice.... I think the sith use an apprentice to gain the power to overthrow the current master.

Jedi also have a kind of rule of 2, only can have one padawan at a time.

Something like that. Feels a little convoluted in hindsight. I need to look at the timeline

Jedi rule of 2 is not the same though. Sure, 1 Jedi to 1 apprentice but there could be hundreds of Jedi and hundreds of apprentices.

The Sith are only supposed to be 2, that's it. There are other dark side users but technically they are not Sith. So, if there are other Sith apprentices, it's because someone is lying. But that's the Sith way, eh? Dooku had Ventress and he shouldn't have been doing that. Vader had Starkiller and he shouldn't have been doing that. At least as far as the Sith way goes... Darth Maul's brother was his apprentice.

So ultimately, Sith play the role openly but secretly none of them give a fuck.

 

[Kurosaki]

Personally I'm LOVING this new show. Not gonna nit pick it, not going to over analyze it, just taking it in.

I'm getting a sick pleasure from watching these SW "fans" twist in the wind over Reva. Shes an awesome character and the writers should be doing high fives because they have everyone TRIGGERED.

I don't understand people complaining about Reva. She's doing the exact same thing most dark side users do. Lying, overly ambitious, traiterous, etc etc.

What's that thing Casey Stoner said to Rossi? Ambition outweighed his talent. Pretty sure she thinks she's the smartest person in the room and Vader is gonna kill her. Or the Grand Inquisitor because he's not dead.

There's no need to watch clone wars. Just read the discussion here between Tyler and Kuro

SHUT UP, CHRIS!!!!