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Building AR15

RRR70 said:
When it comes to AK we not talking about MOA, we talking about MOM- minute of man. As I said, I've shot AKs at 400-450 meters at man sized target. It is absolutely doable and much more destructive than 5.56mm.
6.8SPS outperforms both, AR and AK. I'm looking at and thinking about 300 AAC round. Ammo is expensive right now.
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Is the 6.8 an AR platform?

Ballistics is a separate argument all together and worthy of its own thread. :thumbup
 
RRR70 said:
Yep. So is a 6.5 Grendel. Beautiful round.
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What a lot of people forget when it comes to the AR vs the AK is that everything is a trade-off. No one can say one is better than the other only that one is better suited than the other in situation A or B.
 
BLU_G.6K said:
....but IMO it's nice to have that option of a precision shot should one find themselves in that situation.
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Little unfair to judge them in the same light isnt it? The AR is a precision machined rifle. If you had someone build an AR and an AK, I think they would be more impressed that the AK is as "accurate" as it is after building it. Most AK build parties look like a khyber pass gun shop.
 
Mr.Furious said:
Little unfair to judge them in the same light isnt it? The AR is a precision machined rifle. If you had someone build an AR and an AK, I think they would be more impressed that the AK is as "accurate" as it is after building it. Most AK build parties look like a khyber pass gun shop.
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agrees
 
Do yourself a favor and build from an 80% complete lower receiver. It costs a few $ more yes but there are MANY MANY benefits.. It's no harder to complete once the machining is done and lots of people offer coaching and the use of a mill for a few $. Contact seesm right here on barf.. I've completed a few that way through seesm and much prefer it..
 
itsmrjames said:
Do yourself a favor and build from an 80% complete lower receiver. It costs a few $ more yes but there are MANY MANY benefits.. It's no harder to complete once the machining is done and lots of people offer coaching and the use of a mill for a few $. Contact seesm right here on barf.. I've completed a few that way through seesm and much prefer it..
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And how is it better for his first gun. It certainly not easier.
 
RRR70 said:
Weren't you a Marine?
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Still am, according to the current Commandant, though they haven't paid me for 20 years.

Anyway, sure, I can hit a man-sized target at 500 yards with an M-16's iron sight. Or I could, anyway. But we trained to fight the Soviets in Europe, or Charlie in Vietnam, and that world is long gone. I'm trying to think of a battle fought by US troops in modern times that was decided by the accuracy of individual riflemen.
 
Gabe said:
Still am, according to the current Commandant, though they haven't paid me for 20 years.

Anyway, sure, I can hit a man-sized target at 500 yards with an M-16's iron sight. Or I could, anyway. But we trained to fight the Soviets in Europe, or Charlie in Vietnam, and that world is long gone. I'm trying to think of a battle fought by US troops in modern times that was decided by the accuracy of individual riflemen.
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Not sure exactly where you going with that.
After beginning of Afghanistan campaign there was a commitie created by Pentagon to investigate claims that American soldiers were executing Taliban, because there were a lot of head shots. Conclusion was that it was marksmanship of US groups while using M16s and M4s with optics, since most of the time the only part of insurgents that was visible was his head. With x4 power optic it isn't that hard to do at few hundred yards.
 
Gabe said:
Still am, according to the current Commandant, though they haven't paid me for 20 years.

Anyway, sure, I can hit a man-sized target at 500 yards with an M-16's iron sight. Or I could, anyway. But we trained to fight the Soviets in Europe, or Charlie in Vietnam, and that world is long gone. I'm trying to think of a battle fought by US troops in modern times that was decided by the accuracy of individual riflemen.
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The more accurate rifle is an advantage in open terrain like Iraq and Afghanistan. The advantages of the AK come into play in heavy vegetation where battles are close up and a heavier bullet is more likely to not be deflected and more likely to go through small trees. Other advantages of the AK are its simplicity and and cost of manufacture, and biggest of all its ability to take a lot neglect and still work. The AK is the perfect rifle for untrained fighters. Like I said, each rifle has its advantages and disadvantages so one can't say one is better than the other.
 
Got hosed buying an AR on Calguns. Douche was in San Diego and I wasnt too comfortable doing a deal like that but agreed.....he sold it locally instead.

That being said....

I'm looking for an 18" complete upper. How much would it cost to get a barrel lightened on a lathe?

PKfirearms has some good prices. They are DPMS 18" 416 stainless barrels weighing in at 38oz. Guess most 3 gunner who use 18" barrels try and get around 32oz.
 
Dubbington said:
Got hosed buying an AR on Calguns. Douche was in San Diego and I wasnt too comfortable doing a deal like that but agreed.....he sold it locally instead.

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Sounds like maybe you dodged a bullet! *bah-doom-tsh!* :D
 
Dubbington said:
Got hosed buying an AR on Calguns. Douche was in San Diego and I wasnt too comfortable doing a deal like that but agreed.....he sold it locally instead.

That being said....

I'm looking for an 18" complete upper. How much would it cost to get a barrel lightened on a lathe?

PKfirearms has some good prices. They are DPMS 18" 416 stainless barrels weighing in at 38oz. Guess most 3 gunner who use 18" barrels try and get around 32oz.
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Not sure why you would worry about shaving 6 oz off of a barrel with a lathe...especially when you're already buying a new upper. Why not just get a lightweight barrel to begin with?

Coincidentally I'm looking for a new upper as well. Prooooobably going to go with another POF, I'm really happy with the one I have, but might shell out for an LWRC. I want a piston 5.56 upper. 50000x easier to clean, and I hate cleaning the nooks and crannies on my current upper.

edit - ooooo looky what I found! LWRC has a new lightweight upper out.... http://www.lwrci.com/p-266-m6-sl-stretch-lightweight-upper.aspx#inf-tabs
 
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Better because you don't have to jump through any 10 day DROS bullshit. Better because you don't have to bend to some lame unconstitutional rules to own your fire arm.. Are those good enough reasons? Thought a guns shop guy would agree..

Also, building something from the ground up will give you a further understanding and appreciation of its inner works..
 
Dubbington said:
I'm looking for an 18" complete upper. How much would it cost to get a barrel lightened on a lathe?
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If you want your barrel reprofiled it is $40 bucks unless you need to change the gas block seat diameter then it is $75. Plus $35 to blast and repark.

This guy does good work: http://ar15barrels.com/services.shtml

edit: or do you just want it fluted?
 
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Mr.Furious said:
If you want your barrel reprofiled it is $40 bucks unless you need to change the gas block seat diameter then it is $75. Plus $35 to blast and repark.

This guy does good work: http://ar15barrels.com/services.shtml

edit: or do you just want it fluted?
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Thanks for the link.

If I go with a complete upper the heavy stainless 18" barrels are all .850 to the gas block and around 39oz. Be nice to lighten them up and for $40 thats not bad. Fluting would also take weight out. There's a shop in in the 510 that does it, I was gonna call and ask how much.

I was on Rainerarms.com and looking to piece together an upper. Looks fun but parts including a decent barrel would be $900 easy. I'd rather spend $650 on a mid leve complete upper l and shoot the hell out of it.
 
Dubbington said:
Thanks for the link.

If I go with a complete upper the heavy stainless 18" barrels are all .850 to the gas block and around 39oz. Be nice to lighten them up and for $40 thats not bad. Fluting would also take weight out. There's a shop in in the 510 that does it, I was gonna call and ask how much.

I was on Rainerarms.com and looking to piece together an upper. Looks fun but parts including a decent barrel would be $900 easy. I'd rather spend $650 on a mid leve complete upper l and shoot the hell out of it.
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Definitely evaluate all of your options, Randall at arbarrels does good work but it may take a while depending on his work load, and some times he is a pain in the ass to get a hold of.
 
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