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CA After Market Exhaust ??

afm199 said:
The law is about air pollution, not noise. It's CARB
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I'm told by some riding friends in LA -- and don't know how true it is -- that a couple of influential gov't types who were frustrated at inability to enforce noise restrictions got the idea to go the "other way" and put pressure on CARB to do something about compliance issues on motorcycles that was more enforceable.

Again, don't know validity of this, but it sorta makes sense. I do know loud bikes piss off a lot of people, and some of them are probably high enough in the state food chain to cause us trouble.

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WWWobble said:
a couple of influential gov't types who were frustrated at inability to enforce noise restrictions
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Cops can ticket loud pipes at will. Best part is, it's really easy for them to find them.
 
Aluisious said:
Cops can ticket loud pipes at will. Best part is, it's really easy for them to find them.
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Fix it ticket. Take pipe off, put back on.

Also, good chance for dismissal if you fight it (I'm told).. Most cops don't have sound meters, that are calibrated and checked etc etc. Easy to ticket. Difficult to enforce.

CARB will go after manufactures, dealers, and service shops making pipes difficult to get in first place. If that doesn't work, probable next step is annual smog checks. Many in CARB want to, it's already in discussion. The difficulty is in implementation.

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I'm sorry, Termignoni is good enough for Europe but not for California? Air quality my ass. I bet those who put those concerns into law are flying private jets...which are way way more pollutant than you can imagine.

I think it's about control. Regulators do this. For a living.
 
Motorama said:
I'm sorry, Termignoni is good enough for Europe but not for California? Air quality my ass. I bet those who put those concerns into law are flying private jets...which are way way more pollutant than you can imagine.

I think it's about control. Regulators do this. For a living.
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It's similar to modifying you cars exhaust. You cannot TOUCH the catalytic converter or even move it. You can do aftermarket exhaust that is cat-back. Even if you get a high-flow cat that will be "cleaner" then the stock cat, it is still illegal.

The only exception to this is if the items you install are CARB certified and have a CARB # issued on them. The problem is very few manufactures want to go through the hassle of CARB certification etc. for a fairly small market. Why go through development and testing for the few bikes/cars that will buy in California.

The silver lining in this case is that there is talk of using your car engines computer to do the smog testing now. They will not need to do visual or manual testing of your emissions, except on older cars. If they start doing that you can mod away on your car/motorcycle if it burns cleaners than stock. They will be able to pick that up and you're good to go. At least that is the rumors I've been told from the car modding community.
 
Mrwoo said:
OK I heard some where that as of 2013 it's illegal to add a after market exhaust to new motorcycles unless it has a emission sticker? Is this true? I can't imagine being stuck with those big pipes on my zx14r.
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as of 2013? I think it has been illegal for much, much longer then that. You can also just buy a slip on and put it on yourself. No mechanic shop will do it because they could get in trouble with the state. Don't be a douche on the road and the police won't ticket you.
 
Reli said:
The air we breathe does.
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Seriously. The air in California is so clean it's amazing, especially relative to the number of cars on the road. Any time I go to Oregon/Nevada/Arizona, the first thing I notice is how bad it smells behind other vehicles.

I'll keep a quieter bike and bi-annual SMOG checks if it means my kids will get to breath cleaner air.
 
I've debated putting an Akra on my Tuono, simply to get the race ECU loaded up and because, with baffle in, it's no louder than stock. Plus it comes with two link pipes, one of which has a catalyzer. But it's still illegal and I'm afraid of the attention it may attract. Just doesn't seem worth the potential hassle.

BTW, there are a number of ways around the 'dealer won't sell it' issue, so while it's a bit of a PITA, that's not an insurmountable issue.
 
TheRiddler said:
Seriously. The air in California is so clean it's amazing, especially relative to the number of cars on the road. Any time I go to Oregon/Nevada/Arizona, the first thing I notice is how bad it smells behind other vehicles.

I'll keep a quieter bike and bi-annual SMOG checks if it means my kids will get to breath cleaner air.
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^ This.

Those of you that think that your aftermarket exhaust isn't hurting anyone weren't around the bay area in the 70's. We'd go for months at a time here where the air was so bad you couldn't see Mt Hamilton from Santa Clara.

Everyone loves to piss and moan about lawmakers that are trying to pass overly burdensome legislation. Stop and ask yourself why they might be doing so? Maybe, just maybe, you're not the victim - you're the problem.
 
KazMan said:
I was just going to post this link. It's a good read for those who want to do roadside court house sessions :laughing But good luck anyway.:teeth
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Well, you shouldn't talk to a police officer anyway even when they pull you over whether you are doing asshatery or not. But that's another thread in itself.
 
JPK said:
^ This.

Those of you that think that your aftermarket exhaust isn't hurting anyone weren't around the bay area in the 70's. We'd go for months at a time here where the air was so bad you couldn't see Mt Hamilton from Santa Clara.

Everyone loves to piss and moan about lawmakers that are trying to pass overly burdensome legislation. Stop and ask yourself why they might be doing so? Maybe, just maybe, you're not the victim - you're the problem.
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Do you need a ladder to get on that horse?
 
JPK said:
Nope, I can get up here just fine. :twofinger

Did that strike a little too close to home?
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No. You were too busy ranting to notice my explanation that my pipe has no effect on emissions.
 
Aluisious said:
No. You were too busy ranting to notice my explanation that my pipe has no effect on emissions.
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That's a frustrating mentality. I hear it as, "Mine is fine so I should be allowed to do it." In a perfect world, sure. But the number of people who throw a pipe on that complete removes emissions systems (or at least reduces their efficacy) is too great to allow the few that could improve it.

In other words, your suffering is because other people can't play by the rules.
 
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