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Car dealerships

I think the dealerships are getting screwed by the major manufacturers.

Back in the day the Mustang and Miata when introduced ended up being marked up but at least those manufacturers ramped up.

The Civic R is just a Civic after all, (albeit a great one).
 
You know, without dealerships Rob would just be at a really good indy shop, he doesn't go away....
Exactly. I think the problem with that is the expense of bespoke diagnostic equipment and tools for each manufacturer. The big guys know how to price out the independent in servicing the cars they make. Guy’s like Rob can get stuck if they don’t want the overhead to service every new model that rolls out of the factory. :/
 
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The cheapest one they have s $137k from what I can see.

And it isn't new.
The same car is 104K on Edmonds. You just can’t trust dealerships can you?
 
Or...
car makers don't have bespoke brand-only service/profit centers and designers therefore use more across-the-industry standardized means, methods and equipment, benefitting everyone?

Making that shift is obviously a Herculean task, but if we had been working that way for a long time already, things would be very different now.

Is there really a valid reason every car doesn't use the exact same power window electric motor? Every car from a mini to an f550 could probably use one of 3 power/form factor motors.
 
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car makers don't have bespoke brand-only service/profit centers and designers therefore use more across-the-industry standardized means, methods and equipment, benefitting everyone?

Making that shift is obviously a Herculean task, but if we had been working that way for a long time already, things would be very different now.

Is there really a valid reason every car doesn't use the exact same power window electric motor? Every car from a mini to an f550 could probably use one of 3 power/form factor motors.
Im in total agreement with you. The “right to repair” movement can’t get enough traction IMHO. It’s a people vs corporate greed issue in my view. We know which side of the ledger has been winning that since… the 80’s maybe?
 
you folks drive some fancy cars.

i’m downright trashy with my 1998 truck and 2013 wagon. :laughing
 
Porsche Monterey only had bitchin $100K plus Caymans. They wouldn’t let me test drive. I even dressed up. I did say I thought I would eventually be to find one for $60K that filled my needs. Keanu (really) said manuals were hard to find. There is one on Bring a Trailer in Sac, bids closes Weds…
 
Did it come with a widdle wadder? Those might be valuable.
I had to Google that lol. He doesn't have one of those BROverlander shells on there so that would be superfluous. Seems like it could come on a 4Runner though :laughing
 
Exactly. I think the problem with that is the expense of bespoke diagnostic equipment and tools for each manufacturer. The big guys know how to price out the independent in servicing the cars they make. Guy’s like Rob can get stuck if they don’t want the overhead to service every new model that rolls out of the factory. :/

See this big ol grey table looking thing? (not my shop, got this image off google)

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Commonly called a powertrain lift table. This particular one is a version of the Gruse MHT1200 (because it can lift 1200kg). It comes with various adjustable fixtures to support the lowering of things like this entire powertrain you see there. But they are also used for replacing high voltage battery packs. And can be used to replace other very heavy vehicle components like an EV traction motor or a subframe. Very versitale. Due to the high cost and rather large footprint of it, most independent shops don’t have this.

My shop has had to buy three of these god damned things. It weighs over half a ton unloaded and takes up a shitload of room. And it’s not like we can stack them. The price varied each time, but the last one we were forced to buy cost almost ten grand. Why three, when only one or maybe two would be plenty?

Each manufacturer that we are a franchised dealer for has this big list of required special tools and equipment we have to have in order to sell and service their vehicles. We told manufacturer B that we already have the same table because manufacturer A made us buy one a few years ago, so we don’t need to buy another. Well our version is different, so you still need to buy it…so we’ll just ship it to you and auto bill your general account. We get a nice little shipment of special tools and a bill every time a new model comes out.

Just a small example of the hundreds of thousands worth of tools and equipment the dealer has to have. Indy shops never come close to investing that much.

Makes me think back to years ago when I was a service manager/lead tech for a Wheel Works. Dumb fuck store manager takes in a transmission replacement job despite me telling him we didn’t have the tools to handle that and should send that car to another shop. Tells me you’re a master tech, you’ll figure something out! I wound up supporting the whole front subframe with the powertrain on it by supporting it with four metal barrels underneath then easing the lift to get the rest of the car out of the way. Sketchy AF and I never want to work like that again.

I’m not going to deny that theirs is an incredible amount of greed happening in the dealer model. But the amount of overhead we carry is just ridiculous. Probably a pretty good reason why manufacturers are happy to have franchisees and let them eat all the expenses of having a sales/service center in xxxx city.

How about the “no dealer” model then. Know anyone with a Rivian? If you have a problem with it, they come and get it. Great…but you don’t get your truck back for a looooong time.
 
Also, you pretty much have to have 2 lift tables. Replacing a fuel tank? Need one for the rear subframe assembly and one for the tank.
 
Car dealerships should only exist as demo centers and repair centers. Sell used cars for additional revenue (financing, warranties, etc as well).
There is absolutely no f*cking reason why we cannot just order factory direct (Tesla, Rivian, Lucid, etc). Yeah, I know franchise laws exist. But shits just antiquated.

This picture below just pisses me the fuck off. Pure greed. I don't want to put the dealer on complete blast so I removed any identifying marks.

Glad I went slightly used and through CarMax. Tired of haggling with car dealers.

I bought a brand new car once and only once. I realized shortly thereafter as I finished with fees and whatnot it was a total scam. Never again.
 
Have always bought new cars and a buddy only buys certified used or used these days.

All my new cars for me and the wife have been bulletproof, (Saab coupe, RSX S, Miata, TSX and now CX50 turbo).

All but one lemon; a Saab convertible that replaced the bulletproof coupe.

Shit started not working on that car just after warranty expired and we eventually gave it to a friend after it lost reverse and fifth in the manual tranny. He ended up abandoning it outside Burning Man.
 
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